Earthing requirements for light fittings.

[GCE]

I wish the people training the electricians would highlight this kind of topic. It seems the majority of electricians dont agree. Every time I get into this argument, 6.12.3.2 is used as refence for not earthing fans, metal light fittings and brass lamp holders above 2.5 m.

I was always taught and now teach , that were the word " shall" is used in the regulations it becomes non negotiable regulation . If the sentences says " may " then it provides for a choice.

The problem we find the majority of the time is that the guys do not read/understand the regulations when performing the work and when the problem arises they go to read the regulations and look for a clause to get them out of trouble, not to see if they have done it correctly .

[Derlyn]

The regulations should be black and white. There should be no grey areas and one should not need a university agree to understand them.

Whenever I read a regulation, I ask myself why that regulation is there ? What is the point of having it ?

There are too many of them that I, an electrician of 42 years, cannot answer.

[Isetech]

The regulations should be black and white. There should be no grey areas and one should not need a university agree to understand them.

Whenever I read a regulation, I ask myself why that regulation is there ? What is the point of having it ?

There are too many of them that I, an electrician of 42 years, cannot answer.

The only way to clear the grey area is to have a platform where the information is available to "all" registered electrical contractors.

An open free public Platform like this would be a good start. If someone on this platform could relay queries to the DOL or get someone from the DOL to respond to queries, it would be great start.

Our comments are merely our opinion on a subject. I don't know that it would stand up in court if you were to be summons and put in the witness stand.

[Dylboy]

I personally find that the first half of the paragraph is perfect then they throw in an "or" or "except" and that is where the first paragraph is skipped for that "or"

Like the light fitting above 2.5, metal it may be like a downlights but no earth terminal so they jump straight to the "or" part where things may not be earthed...

Anyway I really enjoy this forum as I believe the opinions of all are worth salt and people here care.

I would like to try attend some refresher Sans courses and all that to learn how others see things.

Big issues is the mentor when in training did it that way and never bothered to keep up to date as "always been done like that"

I would like it if refreshers courses or an actual classroom where questions can be asked and discussed but with the people who know ans write the Sans book.

I mean basic circuit design some old school sparkles struggle with or don't fully know why it is done like that and if wrong or not as once more " always done like that and nothing has happened"

As always my opinion only and thanks all as usual for the discussions

Edit: I for one have a few questions on circuit design and certain conditions, and first to admit there is always learning and I am not perfect but not sure where to go to sit down and ask someone. I have resorted to books from UK and reached out to some electrical engineers . What was required to pass the 2 papers is touching the surface of all the design conditions and also the courses just rush you through and then self study is a challenge as well when there is something of confusion and no one to ask. Also when you do ask 3 sparks have 3 different opinions.



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[Isetech]

Dylboy, never be concerned about the reaction of others when asking a question, no matter how silly you might think it is. Only you will be stupid for not asking.