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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig Whitton View Post
    The DoL's publication clearly stipulates that only one of seven factors need to be satisfied to conclude that someone is an employee (and not an independent contractor). These include:

    (a) “The person has worked for that other person for an average of at least 40 hours per month over the last three months".
    (b) “The person is economically dependent on the other person for whom he or she works or renders services” .
    (c) “The person only works for or renders services to one person”.

    Based on what OP shared, it appears clear (to me anyway) that OP satisfies at least one of these (if not all three) and, therefore, is an employee and not an independent contractor.

    This isn't the first time that the subject of independent contractors vs employees has been raised in these forums. Which is why I found HR Solution's position on the matter so puzzling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Justloadit View Post
    So if an independent contractor, who has little work and can not find any work, and is available for doing work for you, and has crapy tools, and uses your tools to make the job, and because you tell what to do on your job, and does so for more than 3 months, and when you tell him you have no further work for him, takes you to the CCMA because according to the LRA is now your employee, since just one of the criteria set out makes it so.
    Justloadit, this is a wonderful example of the dangers of even small manipulations in language.

    There is an important difference between presume and conclude.

    Where one of these conditions are present, there is a presumption of employment. The onus would now fall to the employer to show why this is not in fact the case. If the would-be employee was relying only on the fact that you allowed them to use your tools, a commissioner might well accept your argument and conclude that the person was an independent contractor.

    Obviously the more points that are applicable, the bigger the challenge facing the "alleged employer" in presenting a valid counter-argument.

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    You make excellent points, Dave, and I stand corrected.

    I think that OP's employer would have a hard time proving that an employment relationship does not exist, but I accept that it is possible. However, if OP's employer did challenge the presumption of employment, I don't think that it would be sufficient to simply assert that he and OP agreed to an independent arrangement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig Whitton View Post
    I think that OP's employer would have a hard time proving that an employment relationship does not exist
    Oh agreed

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