But I being the person responsible for the inspection and testing of the electrical installation, particulars of which are described in section 3 of the form, certify that inspection and testing were done in a accordance with this part of SANS 10142, that the results obtained and reflected on the report are correct.
The extent of my liability is limited to the installation described in section 3.
If I add a lighting point in a house I don't sign off the whole house.
Dave that is an interesting question because and old house which has old wiring would fall into certain categories (of section 9), but what about when the house being tested has a revamped kitchen for example or a new pool installed or electric fencing or an aircon or new gate motor and lights or downlights etc etc. It starts getting interesting. The rules are simple or should i say they are suppose to be, it is how the inspector interprets the rules and regulations at the time of test (a saying i hear a lot when the SANS book is discussed.)
For example you got a hang over from the night before and you have a really small roof space with piles of dirty untidy wiring or
You arrive at a a flat and the old lady who lives there has sold the flat and the money from the flat is going to pay for her survival for the rest of her life. The flat requires thousands of rands worth of repairs, in fact so much that it is going to leave her pennyless by the time you are finished, what do you do. In fact it was this flat which I made a decision to stop doing inspection reports for a living.
We discussing inspection reports and the repairs required as a result of the inspection report. An inspection report for an installation which you didn't install.
The certificate required if you do work on a site is another whole discussion which we can go into another time.
Comments are based on opinion...not always facts....that's why people use an alias.
This why it gets complicated.
If I don't do the inspection report but I do the " repairs only" I only need to sign over the repair work I do as I did not do the inspection report. I would need charge the customer the full inspection report if I have to repair as per the list and sign over the entire installation.
As in the case I am busy with, there are indications that the inspection in incomplete, therefore the initial report should be declared not valid and incomplete so the inspector should not be paid.
Comments are based on opinion...not always facts....that's why people use an alias.
In fact, you do take responsibility for the whole house! Read section 9 of the electrical regulations. It's all there!Originally Posted by skatingsparks
Last edited by Leecatt; 20-Nov-14 at 05:43 AM.
That one has nothing to do with section 9 Dave.
Certain factor would need to be taken into consideration, how old is the electrical installation? Has the bathroom been upgraded at any stage and if so when?
It makes no difference if it is on earth leakage or not because the fact that it is an open fitting and not enclosed in insulating material it cannot be mounted in zone 0 - 1 or 2
If it is in zone 3 so long as it complies with SANS 1042 - 1
I am busy installing a metal open chandelier in a bathroom at present
I am having a few issues with the lights fittings mounted on the wall 1.5 m above the bath tub. The light fitting company which is has supplied the light fittings for above the bath was given an instruction to supply SABS fittings as per B1 of the code for the application.
They supplied 2 fittings made of steel and glass which have no IP rating but have instructed the customer to just silicon the glass to seal to the steel frame. I am still waiting for the SABS letter and instruction in writing from the lighting company. I guess i am going to wait awhile.
You guys are complicating things here.
My inspection fee is told upfront and payment on inspection.
I am very unlucky, as i have never found the perfect installation, always some defects, very minor, but if my name is on the
certificate, its my neck on the block, so nothing is minor.
So the inspection fee is paid, the list of defects and the price is issued to the customer.
I cant force the customer to use my services, but i give them the option. If you get some one else to do the work
then they will have to give you the COC for the whole installation. I dont do re tests. Very often its a family member that can twist two wires together and do the "job" which is seldom ok. I dont get involved.
May I gently suggest it does. The standard required per section 9(2)(a) essentially means SANS 10142-1 has to be met in its entirety.
Section 9(2)(b) requires only that the general safety principles are met.
If it is outside of zone 2, in terms of the bathroom specific section of SANS 10142-1 it must have ingress protection of IP21 as minimum when it is in zone 3 and beyond for as long as it is within the same room. Very clear cut.
But in a 9(2)(b) COC, I've heard it argued that the bathroom specific section is not part of the general safety principles.
So now what?
Participation is voluntary.
Alcocks Electrical Services | Alcocks Pest Control & Entomological Services | Alcocks Hygiene Services
Anyone know where i can find a ip 55 light for a bathroom as per requirements for zone 1? That doesnt look like crap.
No comments from Andy or Dave?
Leecat what you saying is customers who get an electrician to install 1 x additional plug socket can in fact use the COC when they sell their house according to section 9.
Just imagine that I fit a plug at the main DB at Kings park stadium and suddenly I am responsible for the entire stadium electrics, but there are only. 15 electrical contractors, not including aircon techs, plumbers doing geysers, council electricians doing stadium lights, and list just goes on.
I will try read section 9 today.
Comments are based on opinion...not always facts....that's why people use an alias.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
Did you like this article? Share it with your favourite social network.