NWhat are you talking about?Originally Posted by HR Solutions
NWhat are you talking about?
I think it is self explanatory - Pretoria is NOT the spy capital of the world ........... as you have stated ! ....... Or have you forgotten your conspiracy theories already ?What are you talking about?
Pretoria maybe a crime hot spot full of political despots but Spy capital it is not.
Trickzta (14-Sep-16)
A long read I know, it's in reply to the spycatchers and spywatchers that responded to my opinion of the Spy Capital of the world. I'm relying on memory but the basics are sound.
This is my opinion about spy capitals involving active duty spies. The days leading up to the Marikana Massacre brought an influx of active agents to Pta.
When it comes to determining spy capitals and the like there are certain factors that play a role. Some of these include; definitions or classification of spy, agent, diplomat; the nature of political relationships between powers, states and/or governments: the purpose of the "agents" deployment to said city; the criteria used to base the comparisons on when declaring which city is the "Capital".
Overt and covert operatives are another consideration when making comparisons.
Vienna and Russians. Sounds like old time fast foods. While Vienna has the historical title of being the "Spy Capital" or spy playground of the world it relies on numbers to maintain this "title".
Austria and Vienna will always be a strategic centre for spies to party in. It is here that the East meets the West and the North meets the South making Vienna a prime spy destination.
Up to 500 Russian spies are/were stationed there but mostly to monitor Chechen lrefugees. In pure numerical terms Vienna is a finalist for the title of "Spy Capital" of the world.
Perhaps there were never 500 spies in Pretoria on one single day. Perhaps it's not numbers that made Pretoria the Spy Capital for a short time. In the real world the spy capital is in a state of constant flux, that is; it changes as the global situation changes.
That a Vienna Conference brought about the Vienna Protocols for Diplomatic Practices (or something like that) adds prestige to the City of Vienna, which incidently is the assassin's paradise as no investigation is raised when foreign agents assassinate foreign diplomats or citizens.
Vienna is the spy assassination capital. Movies have made Vienna a romantic spy centre in some famous films.
There is however a dark side to the spy activity in Austria. It is a major hub of illegal weapons' trade, money laundering and I suspect drug smuggling too. This ensures that Vienna always has a large diplomatic population, including spies and agents, is in residence throughout the year.
Brussels and Geneva are head to head for the title of spy capital of Europe. Here we have two financial centres with large quantities of precious and semi-precious minerals and jewels. Brussels is also the EU Capital and Headquarters of NATO. The International Criminal Court sits in Brussels and tries African leaders for various crimes.
The spies are on active duty and not in playground mode. Vienna isn't even considered in this conversation. Any Capital in a major country has a fluctuating presence of active spies on an ongoing basis.
Agents are spies as well as being trained as saboteurs, assassins, provocoteurs(sic), experts in breaking and entering and other activities. A spy could be anyone with access to State Secrets, military secrets, business secrets etc.
An agent is more like James Bond, that is an agent is more hands on. Others may define agents differently, for example they may classify a messenger as an agent. Definition is tantamount.
When agents are aggressively activated against a foreign state the agents are usually top notch and well versed in their missions and objectives. They are deadly serious about their work and lethal in their carrying out of orders. They carry out their objectives with deadly intent.
They pose as members of opposing organisations when provoking or instigating a conflict. They kill without remorse and often they work in tandem with "reporters" of Mainstream Media for added effect. Effect in this instance is pure propaganda.
Another of their dirty tactics is carried out when two opposing factions gather peacefully at different locations at the same time. They use snipers to fire at both groups in such a fashion that each faction blames the other for firing first or "starting" the violence which quickly escalates into war or mayhem.
Pathologists in the Ukraine claimed that the first casualties on both sides were shot up by the same rifles and ammunition. The "Third Force" or "Fifth Column" are names used to define these unknown agents that manufacture wars or faction fights.
Active spies or agents and their activities could be a determining factor when gauging which City is the spy capital of the world. Obviously the Capital City would change from time to time depending on the criteria used to determine said Capital.
Using agents subversive activity as a yardstick would have Pretoria as the Spy Capital at some stage in the days leading up to Marikana and for some time after the planned massacre of oppressed workers.
The distinction between playing fields and killing fields is what seperates the 'known' Capital and the centre of 'field operations' which is the real Capital in terms of actual "agent" activity.
That being said most Google results offer Vienna as the spy capital of the world. This suits their masters or partners the CIA, as it limits the exposure of their agents and their agendas on the internet. Besides no respectable Intelligence Agency wants to be in a situation whereby their operatives are numbered or monitored in foreign countries.
Today the Capital Cities of Europe are where the most activity is taking place. Paris, Brussels and Geneva are a hive of spy activity. Vienna has the numbers and is still the "play ground" of the spy world. The Ukraine is brimfull of active agents from many different countries and it's not an easy task to count them.
Known spies can be totalled but sleepers and newbies are an unknown, double agents add to the difficulty in counting spies.
It's all in the definition and Google is a CIA asset.
Too long to read ........ sorry ....... short attention span........ I get bored after the first line if I suspect the writing is rubbish. I find it a lot from our media at the moment .
Trickzta (14-Sep-16)
HR and smithers what is your definition of a spy capital? Let's start there before moving on. Puts us on the "same page" so to speak.
Not really interested and basically who cares ?
Trickzta (18-Oct-16)
after a laborious, painfull eye watering read of your "post" i just cannot stop laughing. The articles out there on Google CANNOT be trusted no matter what you state to be a source.. To many people exist on the Internet with a single objective of making a story no matter the truth or dishonesty that it brings, because you can be anonymous. Any person can link any Government to any atrocity without any truth to any of the stories.
Having had some first hand experience in what you call spying and what it entails,(as i am in the broad based Security arena) i can tell you that all governments know exactly who a spy is and where the reside in that country. Not all spies are trained in what you call sabotage or assassinations, that is a what one would call a specialist and would not be a government mainstream suit wearing individual. What you are actually referring to is the Black Operations such as the SEAL teams, SAS, GSG9, Sayeret Matkal etc etc.
I do not believe that South Africa has any skill sets left that would put us in any of the worlds playing fields of Spying. If spies do exist here, they would be of the Russian, Old Eastern block territories possibly involved with the ANC as we all know the Russians trained the Mk soldiers in Angola and via Cuban resourcing, they supported and funded many of the now SA Government ministers and President that sit fat and pretty up north.
I doubt you and I would ever be on the same page, but your writings are entertaining and being somewhat vague, but then that is what a conspiracy theory is = vague to the point of nauseating drivel. You should maybe look at the Catholic church being behind so many of the atrocities of the world and there involvement in supporting the deaths of may African people
Trickzta (18-Oct-16)
You hit the nail on the headvague to the point of nauseating drivel
Trickzta (18-Oct-16)
Give that man a case of Bells
Trickzta (18-Oct-16)
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