Smoking at work........

[tec0]

Have been reading a bit of this thread and had a good laugh at certain stages. Dont know anyone around here but if I may say, tec you sound like a bit as if the world owes you something. Unfortunately whoever we are or whatever disadvantage we as individuals have, we have to accept them and learn to live our lives around it. We cannot all be the CEO of Anglo or the President of the country. You slot into your specific place in life and at the job place and work to improve yourself and better your own environment, help to support the community and get on with it. Dont judge people for what they are, rather make sure that if you dont like it, then you disacociate yourself from them and for what they stand for. Stop complaining, rather do something about a problem you might have.

And you sound like someone that thinks they are high enough to give others advice. And the world owes me nothing. Here is the thing however why must I keep my mouth shut when you and others like you want to oppress people.

How is that??? To harsh???

Oh my advice don't pi$$ on people and say you are going to take away there jobs. It's not nice...

[pmbguy]

Tec0....

I feel your pain...





I was once a very unhappy employee in a business I still like...


I don’t know you from a bar of soap

The one thing I can think of is... #!##....

If you are unhappy and you can’t change a bad situation, and changing yourself to fit the bad situation is out of the question, then perhaps you seek a good situation.

Not thinking anything drastic, just a thought

[Blurock]

When the world (de)press too much, think of this;

a plane always takes off against the wind...

[HR Solutions]

I actually don't give a damn about the health factor. I care about the unproductive time wasting and the little "clicks" it forms between the smokers and the non smokers, especially the young woman! So prefer non smoker employees. And that is our right.

[adrianh]

and the little "clicks" it forms between the smokers and the non smokers

This is very true. I spent many years as a smoker working in IT. The smokers always formed cliques and stuck together. The cliques spanned across general boundries in that people from all speres in the company would stand "together" as smokers.

After I stopped smoking this was even more noticeable. People don't like to smoke alone for some reason (maybe its like drinking alone). You could also ways see who are the leaders and who are the followers, which ones would go trolling for smoking partners every hour or so. The main grapevine also seemed to be the smokers because they would be from all speres in the company. The guys used to smoke in the stairwells so getting information up and down the company was very easy.

[tec0]

Yea and smoking clients have the right not to do business with you. As stated before you are concerned about smoking and none smoking then the quality of your product and or service can't be that good.

I actually mentioned this discussion to one of my oldest friends a “big fish” and he told me he will not tolerate it. Now this is from a man that owns several mines and so on. So I would be very careful with this “screw all attitude”

And if you want to talk about wasting time? What about the new mobile problem with constant updates and so on? I watched 5 people working in an office for about an hour. The smoker took one smoke break yes. But the rest was constantly on there phones. Basically no work was being done... Now this was from office security camera that we installed and tested.

Some friendly advice, What you send out into the world will comeback amplified. You really don't want to test this...

[adrianh]

Smoking should be totally banned because it has no positive value whatsoever. A smoker is addicted to a legal drug and he has no control over his addiction. We would frown upon a person who eats a anti-depressant every hour or takes cocaine every hour yet it it ok to smoke. Nicotine acts similarly on the brain as cocaine by interfering with neurotransmitters such as serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine.

No matter how you sell it, people who smoke are addicted to a mind altering stimulant. That stimulant causes them to waste time and to stink. They can go and stimulate themselves as much as they want on their own time but I will not allow them to contaminate my workplace with their drug dependence.

BTW; tec0 how the f... do you go from smoking to saying that poor quality products are produced in a smoke free environment...eish dude...this is why I tell my kids not to do math in leaps and bounds but rather to write down all the steps...then they are able to clearly show the path of their thinking... Please show us the path of your thinking.

[HR Solutions]

Yea and smoking clients have the right not to do business with you. As stated before you are concerned about smoking and none smoking then the quality of your product and or service can't be that good.

I actually mentioned this discussion to one of my oldest friends a “big fish” and he told me he will not tolerate it. Now this is from a man that owns several mines and so on. So I would be very careful with this “screw all attitude”

And if you want to talk about wasting time? What about the new mobile problem with constant updates and so on? I watched 5 people working in an office for about an hour. The smoker took one smoke break yes. But the rest was constantly on there phones. Basically no work was being done... Now this was from office security camera that we installed and tested.

Some friendly advice, What you send out into the world will comeback amplified. You really don't want to test this...

tec you are so right, We can all choose who we want to do business with, thank God more and more people/companies are starting to ban the smoking thing and actually employ non smokers.

And yes cell phones are also a problem and that is the next thing that companies are starting to clamp down on. So what is your point ?

Dont want to "test" what ?? I think every company out there has the right to do what they want to do, sometimes they dont do the right thing, and sometimes they learn from their mistakes.

Lastly I am a small cigar smoker myself ( on the weekend when I have a drink or two) , not a day to day smoker, so I have nothing against smokers. We just have a major problem with the little clicks it froms between the smokers and the non smokers and trust me we have a very happy work environment, we have learnt from the past, as Adrian above said the smokers and the non smokers form two different "teams".

[tec0]

It is because of people like you that more abortions are being done each day in the name of employment. But this to was predicted actually. See this isn't about smoking it is about oppression. People like you cannot tolerate others but you haven't learned the hardest most challenging lesion yet. It is only yours if you can hang on to it...

You want to take away... then it will be taken away from you.

You may be big mouth now but one-day when you are hapless and frail these words will bring a truth so powerful that you will weep. I have seen this happen... Thus I know this to be true.

Toleration creates a tolerant nation. Zero toleration is anarchy.

But I see you are so eager and ready to light this fire your lust echo trough your words. You think you are ready for the effects... I hope you are... for what you do now will have a effect not only on those that you oppress but it will come back amplified and angry.

Rather live and let live...

[adrianh]

If some men were created in God's image then I seriously have my doubts about God......