Blu, I forgot to mention something else yesterday; as far as I remember, there is also an annual "membership fee" which is payable at the beginning of the year. It makes no difference how much you sold or whether you sold f/a, it is part of the t & c's when you sign up to sell their stuff. So even if you sell virtually nothing, if they have say 1000 members X R250 per year, they get to collect R250K in any case. I rest my case.....