Crime

[murdock]

and the sad thing is we all have stories like this to tell...you just never hear about them in the newspaper or media...only via emails or when people load them on forums...or listening to people at social gatherings...i would be here till tommorow morning writting facts likes this.

the reality is we live in the most violent country outside of war torn countries...my sister and her family who have moved to england find it rather amuzing that whenever she asks why i dont leave this country....i always say..."at least its not as bad as irak" the problem with this statement is the amount of deaths and injury from violence and bombing is still less than the crime in this country i am not talking about the stats sent out by goverment i am talking about the realty and cases we dont even hear about.

cheer up we live in the rainbow nation...take it like and man but then dish it out like a man toooo if you get the upper hand...or pray and forgive them.

beams in the garden AND on the walls of the house so they cant get to the hosue and climb thru a small window...if you have big or small dogs keep them inside the house...and when asked by the judge or procecutor ...YOURS AND YOUR FAMILIES LIVES WERE IN DANGER AND THEY POSED A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER...not maybe this or maybe that...and never shout out violent threats....always shout please stop...please stop and try not shoot more than 2 shots otherwise it is seems and extreme force.

common stories which come out of court.

we were lost and had to break into the house to ask for directions.

i was far away from home and wasnt sure were i was and got frightened so i broke into the house.

i was thirsty and needed water so i broke into the house...i didnt see the tap below the window which i stood on to climb into the window...

etc etc

[tec0]

The sad part is not the excuses it’s the judge believing them...

And what is the excuse for the AK47? He used it as a cane? And was the bullets to add to the stability?

[murdock]

these people are getting a lot smarter than you think...they dont always carry firearms...the other night a fella was caught breaking into cars...they wear the bare essentials...i mean the fella only had a pair of sleeper short on...a sharpened allen key and a shaft with a weight on it which slides up and down to break the lock...i can only asume that the get away vehicle had armed criminals...when he was caught he dropped the tools of his trade and denied any knowledge of them.

my neighbour was hijacked at home...no firearms were produced only indicated that they had guns and would kill if they didnt do what they told them....it went off so smoothly that he only started going into shock an hour or two after the whole ordeal...they spoke fluent english...well mannered well dressed...all in good health well built...arrived in a bmw...starving i think not...more like highly skilled soldiers/crimminals with past experience in terrorism

i will say this again i believe the police force are not equipped nor do they have the correct skills to handle these type of crimminals/terroists.

look at the cash in transit heists...armed robberies all planned and carried out in a manner which indicates they are trained personel...who knows who is training these people...these are the questions we should be asking...and why are they hardly ever caught

and why when polic eofficers who shoot them get put on suspension...

starts making you think...time to...

[desA]

Time to begin a security RE network, methinks. Begin actively looking after you & your own.

[murdock]

what i am hearing is people are hiring armed guards to protect them and their visitors during functions...this sounds like a bussiness to go into...get a couple of ex cops to work like bouncers but just heavily armed...to be capablae of tackling 6 - 8 armed robbers...its after hours so it could be a side line job for active cops...at least they could call their buddys if the kak hits the fan.

it is amazing how often this kind of thing is happening and how little it is reported in the media...maybe they are just stories

[alexwang]

the early knowing ,the early paying attention

I don't believe that crime stats are fully reported as the incidence of crime seems to be much worse than we are being told. We need to keep each other informed. Perhaps Dave A can put a new category on the ForumSA for us members to report crimes as they happen? this way we will be helping each other to form a stats list and help identify "hot spots".

As SA sinks further into the poverty pit, criminals have nothing to lose so crime begins to pay, IE. If i'm starving to death anyway, why not just commit a crime and get into jail where I will have free board and lodgings with meals, it's a very poor living standard, but it is a living, and the worse the crime, the longer I get to "enjoy" the free life, it's still a death sentence but takes a little longer.

Criminals don't fear the law anymore, the punishment for the crime is but a small price to pay.

wat Dave S talked about is needed.
The earlier we notice what happened, the earlier we can take precautions. It's better for people to know th current condition in south africa, witch will be good for travelling and business guiding in SA.

[garthu]

Criminals have actually adapted to the system with open arms. This is for real concern.

If anyone watched the episode of 'solving it" on tv, the local jails are run by gangs etc. Sure this is not new or news, but its the manner. In jail the gangs are controlled by the criminals activities. A petty thief is in a certain gang and a killer in another gang.

When a prisoner is released, this is the only time they can actually climb the ladder of gangs..out of prison!! In other words, some of the completely senseless murders seen, whilst some might be paid hits, some are actually just all about gang status! One of there "upgrade" status crimes is to knife a policeman!! WILD STUFF!!

Whether the criminal is out of jail or in jail, he is looked after by the gangs! He is just as happy in jail as out. In fact in jail is like a social if you are in the "27's" gang. You get fed, place to sleep etc. Hearing how prison is no walk in the park (sure its not) but if you are in one of the gangs, it's certainly not the worst thing that can happen either.

It leaves us with the problem that the really rough guys in our community dont care at all whether they are in or out... how do we control them!

I also heard an intersting rumour some time ago (who knows but its an interesting concept) that 2 members of the 27's gang were integral in the firearms gun free sa story... what its done to there lives etc etc... except once a 27, always a 27 or else!!!

Sorry guys, but a firm believer that the only thing that will reduce something like the 27's operations and train of thought is death penalty. Something has to be done for sure from a political side. Us joining together, yes its proactive and helps, but something BIG has to come from the top

[tec0]

When I see the word death-penalty I get worried. Clearly the criminal system is mess and cleaning it up with killing all the “monsters� and then try to rehabilitate the rest will take some time. However the incompetence of our police force as sown in the Media, it is clear that the death-penalty will be abused. It will give the “bad� officers a free licence to kill and intimidate anyone. Take for example that poor women that didn’t do anything wrong and was then taken by aggressive police officers.

The solution is a new police force. Well trained officers will be the foundation to establish a much needed trust between the public and the police. Now if we use all those stolen billions and spend it on our police force and make it powerful, educated and disciplined and then introduce proper systems to deal with the monsters and criminals alike you will win. Do it any other way and you will lose.

[Dave A]

Are the police badly trained or is it really a morale / motivation problem?

[tec0]

A bit of both I suspect. The truth is discipline can affect a person positively. Discipline bestows pride and self-respect. With self-respect you respect others and expect them to respect you. The second aspect is income. Face it we all need a roof over our heads, proper medical-aid and a good retirement fund. So I think that yes good police-officers deserve a good income.

As for motivation again discipline will motivate that is a given fact, a good income will motivate but above all good training and education will motivate because it ads to “self worth� and is really important in this line of work.

[AndyD]

I think part of the problem with police is that people who make the best police officers have character and personality traits which would also make them the best criminals if they chose to go that route.
What would make such a person chose law enforcement over law breaking? The great police salaries.....the high social and public regard the police are held in?

[murdock]

and here i thought i was just letting off a load of hot air thougt it was just me noticing all the barb wire fencing going up daily...newspaper headlines...

crime up 3600 %

the commander says he cannot protect the people because he doesnt have the vehicles or man power...maybe he should ask so ofht ehother public servants to stop spending so much on personel luxery vehicles...and someone mentioned it should come from goverment...wake up...maybe i live in a different country...i take it you also live in one of the crime free places in SA.


it looks like things are starting to gettin interesting here...crimminals are now targeting parents dropping off children at pre school and school...why because they are easy targets and more importantly they will not do anything stupid while their little precious ones are in the vehicle...

churches also become targets...and now you must go to church armed to the Tee as well another easy target...

police confront armed men...but armed men are no longer worried about police so they just shoot back at the police ...i wonder if the police officer will be put on suspension for shooting two men dead in the line of duty...and the dog for biting one of the crimminals...maybe he will be put down it is a laugh a minute reading the news...

so now that all the crimminlas know that the police have no vehicle published headlines in the newspaper lets see if it increase by another 3000%

you have to make the crimminal think before he hijacks or breaks into a house or decides to pull and armed robbery at a function...and the only way to stop it will be to fight fire with fire and until we adopt that attitude lets hope you are your family doesnt become just another stat...

these steps need to be taken urgently...

comunication with other members of your community is the key to reducing the crime rate in your area...

a ruthless specialised trained team with adequate fire power to hunt these crimminals down...with a worthwile bounty on their heads...funded by the entire community...stop wasting money on electric fences...adt...blue...coin...etc and crap...rather prevent the crimminals from targeting your area...get rid of them before they become a threat.

sms and email communications on a daily bassis with constant updates as events happen so you know if your neighbour or a house just up the road has been hit...descriptions of the vehicles to look out for.

contact details of who the correct people to contact if you are a victum...and which security personel to contact when you are hit...because having the police station number isnt gona do much for you...as mentioned in the headlines.

arm yourself so that you dont have to hide your children and beg for your life while these people smash your front door open or come thru the windows this is beecoming a very common entrance just smash right thru the front door or windo...and more important go for training educate your family on how to use weapons...dont keep it safe from the children...rather educate them on the dangers and let them use the weapons so they become familiar with them and know how to use it...and what ever you do dont leave it locked in a safe...when they come thru the door or window there is no time to still find the key unlock the safe and load the weapon...make it fit into your headboard so that if your wife is being raped on your bed she can reach for it...clip it under the shelf below the safe so you can reach for it when they take you to your safe...and what ever you do make sure it is loaded...rather lock the cupboard than have a gun locked in the safe...

keep other weapons in the house positioned in strategic locations which all your family members know about and keep a couple seperate...so if like they did to my mate made his son show them all the safes etc they dont located all your weapons...slide a blade into the shelf of the cupboard and make it spring loaded so if you push on it it pops out make it with a tees so you can hold it properly...and make sure it doesnt have any rigdes on it otherwise it you will have to turn it to pull it out...rather make it straight and extremely sharp...use a buff to finish it so you can shave with it.

[murdock]

by the way the last couple days i have noticed adt have 3 brand new vehicles patrolling our area...and the crime is increasing...doesnt that make you think.

you would think the crime would be on a decrease

[murdock]

there are other things but i cant display them on a public forums...things like your drinks cabnet....these people love to drink and feast while making a fool of you...just make sure you dont have a couple too many and forget.