The state of education in our schools

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  • Debbiedle
    Gold Member

    • Jun 2006
    • 561

    #16
    Yes to both Dave and Ian.

    Sadly this is not the only horror story I have heard/experienced. Apart from kids getting to an examination center (mine) and being tested on books that were not prescribed - subject, Afrikaans voorgeskrewe! English kids (mine) arriving for their IT practical and the questions being in Afrikaans!

    My rep had her kid doing matric at one of the most trusted colleges in Cape Town. The examination board simply forgot to use ANY of their year marks and all the certificates were issued with marks approximately 15% below those actually obtained. Luckily for them some wise sole picked this up, these kids still don't have their results.

    Want more? One of the maths question papers had so many errors on it (can't remember if this was finals or prelims, I think prelims) that an entire folio and a half of amendments were made. This was at a private school (but national government paper) where the teachers took the time to read the paper and were able to do the amendments for the kids - what do you think happened in the schools where the teachers were not as skilled or dedicated?

    These little bits and pieces come from the 20 to 30 odd matrics I personally have been in contact with, only because this is the age of my own kid. But we are talking about 3 or 4 different schools and institutions. Makes a person think doesn't it.

    Not to mention the constant adjustment of marks.

    The upshot of this is that a very select few out there, who have been mostly in private schools and sheltered from the chaos that has followed this particular year of child around, have any faith or respect for the system. From grade 1 they have been guinea pigs. The teaching methodologies have been confusing and inadequate for a large part of their school careers.

    For example: With outcomes based education a HUGE amount of your content relies on research. Great for my kid - we have ADSL, WE taught him to google, gave FULL internet access from age of 7. Let's get real and compare this privilege to the rest of the kids in SA?

    I was fortunate to have attended university. I could see and pick up faulty logic and teach my kids alternatives. Our household is one where knowledge is revered. This is not even a remote possibility in most South African households - the system has failed them, as OBE needed adult guidance and that guidance has not been there for the 2008 matrics. Yes for the private schools, yes for some of the better government schools, NO for the average government schools.

    It got to the point where I suggested to my child that he make a choice between necessarily wanting good marks, or in fact wanting correct work and theory!! The syllabus required that a grade 9 pupil should make a deck chair with a load bearing weight of 160 kg - granted, ALL the grade 9 pupils who have carpentry workshops, industrial strength sewing machines and approximately R400 for materials could do this one, but approximately 99,999999% of the kids could not.

    University todays prefer that the kids do NOT have an accounting background for admission to BCOM. Ask yourself why.

    I could continue for ever. Fact is that I now have no respect for that little piece of paper called a matric certificate and this is very sad as quite a few of the kids in our circle came out of the finals with a number of distinctions. My first thought? What does it all mean?
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    Debbie
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    • Yvonne
      Silver Member

      • May 2006
      • 361

      #17
      Debbie, any success? So very sorry this is happening to your daughter, I hope it gets sorted out fairly!

      Yvonne

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      • Debbiedle
        Gold Member

        • Jun 2006
        • 561

        #18
        Hi Yvonne - Thank you for your concern. I have had no luck as yet - this Monday I will be on it, but the amount of time expended to get nowhere is scary. Even sadder, it is my son, who his entire life has not ever done anything twice. Would not colour in as a youngster because it was a waste of time, after all the picture has been drawn. If teachers asked for rough draft he wouldn't do it, as he doesn't repeat things. Even gets irritated if someone asks "are you sure?" after he has refused tea or coffee....I doubt that he will rewrite - not unless there is a miracle between now and then...please pray for one.

        I am truly devastated by this. The only fact established is that he is not alone, there are other children out there in the same situation!!!!
        Regards

        Debbie
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        • Dave A
          Site Caretaker

          • May 2006
          • 22807

          #19
          Originally posted by Debbiedle
          I doubt that he will rewrite
          It seems a bit silly for him to punish himself for someone else's mistake.
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          • Yvonne
            Silver Member

            • May 2006
            • 361

            #20
            Your son must keep in mind the question, What is in my own best interest in the long run? The unfairness and frustration of wanting to refuse to write again is understandable.

            Personally, sometimes a evangelical - "positive" person will say - search for the benefit -which I generally find exceptionally frustrating!
            but over time I have found it helps enormously!

            Try to help him find some "positive" humor in rewriting! really tough one I know.
            He has been exceptionally fortunate in life to have had such a nuturing educational background.

            We need to revive the old expression - Vasbyt!
            for so many issues affecting our "State of the Nation"

            Yvonne

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            • twinscythe12332
              Gold Member

              • Jan 2007
              • 769

              #21
              well, one of the things that concerns me about OBE is there is quite an orientation towards group work. and with most students who would rather sit around and chat, there are normally 2 or 3 people producing the work, while the others sit around. now I'm all for team work and all that, but last time I checked, the exams are written individually.

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              • Debbiedle
                Gold Member

                • Jun 2006
                • 561

                #22
                The saga continues....

                Regards

                Debbie
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                • Dave A
                  Site Caretaker

                  • May 2006
                  • 22807

                  #23
                  Daar is ook baie klagtes oor departementsamptenare wat nie hulle telefone antwoord of op e-pos reageer nie
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                  • Yvonne
                    Silver Member

                    • May 2006
                    • 361

                    #24
                    Debbie,

                    Did you manage to resolve all the problems with your sons matric examinations?

                    Yvonne

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                    • Dave A
                      Site Caretaker

                      • May 2006
                      • 22807

                      #25
                      The findings by a team tasked to investigate the state of education in South Africa have been described by the opposition Democratic Alliance (DA) in KwaZulu-Natal as “nothing less than devastating”.

                      The task team was set up last year by former education minister Naledi Pandor and was chaired by well-known educator Professor Jonathan Jansen, who has also been running affairs at the Mangosuthu University of Technology in Umlazi.

                      The Daily News reported on Tuesday that the team had found underlying dysfunctionality at rural and township schools, and teachers were spending less time in the classroom and more time on administration.

                      Tom Stokes, the DA's provincial education spokesperson, said in a statement on Tuesday they were deeply concerned.

                      The findings revealed, among other things, that the culture of teaching and learning had disappeared in most rural and township schools.

                      “The findings point to the neglect of grassroots schooling and the disempowerment of principals and school governing bodies,” he said.

                      He stressed that a culture of learning could only be restored if schools were given greater autonomy in hiring and firing staff, in disciplining pupils and in adapting the curriculum to local needs.
                      full story from M&G here
                      It's a government sponsored report. Let's hope it's taken seriously and acted upon.
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                      • Debbiedle
                        Gold Member

                        • Jun 2006
                        • 561

                        #26
                        Hi Yvonne - No. I don't have any idea or clue where to turn or what to do. It has simply stumped me. My kid is also refusing to rewrite.
                        Regards

                        Debbie
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                        • sgafc
                          Bronze Member

                          • Mar 2009
                          • 175

                          #27
                          Education system and Skills Shortage

                          The Education system is not addressing the Skills Dearth in the country, far from it. Similar to a factory, they just pumping out "Matriculants" and graduates, without contributing to the economy.

                          Correct me if Im wrong, but the calibre of todays student lacks the literacy and numeracy skills needed,to survive in a modern economy. If I can speak for my industry, accounting. The situation is dire. I was stunned by students that I signed up for articles(learnerships) lack of knowledge of the basics of the subject, and yet these students obtained A's for subjects such as Cost Accounting.

                          In my student years we did thorough practicals on company tax.(Actually completing the tax return for a company). Todays students only cover the theory.

                          The same goes for the standard of Maths in our High Schools.

                          I am no pessimists, and have taken the Bull by the Horns, and retrained several of my article clerks. They have done exceptionally well on my unique training method, tailored specifically for the finance/tax market.

                          Today I can proudly say that 4 of my former trainees are in top positions at other firms. 2 Are Audit Managers at one of the "Big Four" audit firms, another a SARS auditor, and the other a financial manager at ABSA.

                          My concern is that the OUR FINANCE SETA, never rewarded my company (as promised), for my efforts,nor did I get any support from government.

                          No Problem, I continue to take on trainees,despite their shortcomings, because I am cognissant of a government that couldnt care a hoot. But I do, and our community needs the skills.
                          Sean Goss We all are scared, but only few are brave.
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                          • Dave A
                            Site Caretaker

                            • May 2006
                            • 22807

                            #28
                            Way to go, Sean

                            Yup, I'm afraid when it came to fixing education in the post-apartheid era, our government seems to have thrown out the baby with the bathwater - and are only now starting to publicly admit their mistake.

                            Consider this statement from the new Health Minister, Aaron Motsoaledi:
                            Part of relieving doctors is to get more nurses, and we blundered in a big way when we closed down many nursing colleges. The biggest trainer of nurses is the private sector -- while producing skilled people is the work of government! I’m going to reopen the government nursing colleges so that nurses can study while they’re getting paid. I think it will start alleviating some of the unbearable working conditions.
                            from M&G article here
                            The same thing happened with the apprentice system and the training centres for the registered trades; tossed out and in came the learnership system.

                            Figuratively - Instead of just breaking down the gates of entry to learning and opening up accessibility to existing proven facilities, they destroyed the buildings too.
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