How to make South Africa prosperous?

[BusFact]

My 2c: As soon as someone becomes economically empowered:

- The incentive to commit crime reduces.
- They are able to educate their children (and possibly themselves) which in turn leads to better political decision making and allows an economy to grow.

By economically empowered I don't necessarily mean be given a job. Although thats nice, I don't think its possible on the scale we require. Instead everyone should be starting and running their own business. I'm not naive, I know that this has huge hurdles, such as finding markets to supply your services or products and coming up with ideas for products and services. However if we could make it happen, it would be a huge boost.

[BusFact]

STOP BUILDING MASSIVE WAREHOUSES TO DISTRIBUTE RUBBISH FROM CHINA.

Start building more factories and homes for the people of this country.

This I think is crucial. I have some serious doubts about a blanket open world market. We cannot compete against China when we have different rules on labour. And no I don't advocate reducing the standards for SA labour, I just don't think cheap Chinese goods should be brought into our country at the expense of competitive local suppliers. Export / Import markets should be for goods that cannot be obtained locally or where there is an uncompetitive local market sector.

[Heating]

The picture that you paint here would be ideal. However, don't forget that we are in a vicious circle where the people vote the corrupt in and the corrupt takes the people's money AND yet, next elections they will continue to vote the corrupt back into power!! How do we break this circle?

[ians]

I am told...80 % of Africa is already owned by China....i wonder when they plan to come in and clean up.

The bottom line is money talks and shyte walks...as silly as this statement sounds...the reality is everyone can be bought ...at a price...and boy are the greedy taking advantage.

[Smiley]

All the ideas shared are spot on on what can be done to improve it all, I agree.

However ... I am a wee bit pessimistic.

How to implement all these good ideas, how to get them working consistently, as education is wot, a 20(?), year plan. So multiple presidencies, no?
Job creation, infrastructure upgrades ... decades.

As good as the success stories are out there, and there are, a lot, we, the majority, have become irrelevant.

Let me explain, illustrate, non factual, authors freedom: How many people actually vote in SA?
Wikipedia says in 2014 there where 18,5mil valid votes and 252 000 spoilt votes.
Total votes cast was 18,75 mil votes
Registered Voters: 25,4 mil
Total population: +-54-56 mil people.

So less than half of SA votes. (Are u/18 the 50%, illegal immigrants?)
And of that half a few mil more than actually half voted.
With more and more non-deliverance from political parties, those voters may become even less.

To fix the problem we need a leader/s that can pull this nation together, the majority votes, under one flag, as one nation ... s[he] will have to be a "super hero", for divisive (as a nation) we stand.

So get a leader, the rest will follow, and together we WILL sort it all out.

[HealthyDozen]

Mr Ramaphosa, I challenge you to do the things that make you remembered as the next Nelson Mandela - or greater.
Build a nation educated on a par with the world's highest standards of education, not our diluted sub-standard grading to appease the masses.
The jobs will come, the tolerance for crime and corruption will go. The confidence in South Africa will grow.

Jacob Zuma had that opportunity and blew it. He will forever be remembered as a scoundrel, a crook, a thief, a liar, a looter and the man who almost destroyed a nation.
Nothing he can ever do will change this. His legacy is set.

Ask yourself: "How do I want to be recorded in history?" As a Zuma, a Mussolini, a Mugabe, a Stalin, a Chavez, an Amin?

You have limited time to make a positive memorable impact. And the clock is ticking....

[magiclifestyle]

A Positive Revolution based on a few key principles that inspire a large enough cross-section of the population to make a significant difference.
Few enough to be counted on the fingers of one hand and simple enough for the youngest child to be inspired to dream great things.

In 2008 I wrote a manifesto called Coalition of Hope based on Eduard de Bono's book Positive Revolution and presented my thoughts on five key principles as a starting point for dialogue; every individual can choose their own five principles, then collaborate with others who share similar principles and eventually a national set of principles will emerge.



What are your five key principles?

You can find the PDF here https://shaunlindbergh.files.wordpre...pe-oct2008.pdf

If you live in Gauteng check out Mobilise Gauteng (http://mobilisegauteng.co.za/), a community network for people who want to make a positive difference. (Cape Town relaunching in 2019)

[nsawdon]

Is it not time to put a plan in place to get out of this mess.

[Heating]

Education, education, education...The education starts at home. Yes, I totally agree with your views.

[Blurock]

Education, education, education...The education starts at home. Yes, I totally agree with your views.

I totally agree, but at home the parents are not interested. I do not want to sound pessimistic, but we have to look at reality.
Children are brought up in violent environments where there is alcohol and drug abuse at home. Women get assaulted and children accept it as the norm. Gangsterism and total disrespect of self and society. That attitude is carried into our schools and our communities which are getting more and more violent.
Maybe we should get more involved and start talking to each other instead of just pointing fingers and accepting the (worsening) status quo.
When last did you speak to your employees about their situation? Are you helping with domestic violence or the child's drug addiction?
The lesson of the starfish comes to mind here.

[Heating]

You are 100% percent correct. You have eloquently painted the reality of our situation. Maybe our hope lays in the few people who still has compassion for others. Ps. I do talk to my employees about their alcohol consumption, for the past 20 years!!!

[ians]

Ps. I do talk to my employees about their alcohol consumption, for the past 20 years!!!

You cannot help people who cannot help themselves...by this i mean...you can jump up an down...scream ...threaten...nag and do whatever you think will change a person...the only time the change takes place is when that person is ready for the change...generally it takes a bad incident to motivate change.

an example...generally speaking...a fat person would need to have a heart attack or find out they have cancer or some other serious medical condition to make them change their bad eating habits...the problem with alcohol...people turn to alcohol when the going gets tough...alcohol is seen as a way to be happy...socialise and enjoy life.

[Heating]

In my opinion, I think we should have hope and be positive. There is just too much negativity and grimness around us. Maybe tomorrow when we wake up, we should try waking up with a smile and positive attitude. Surely that would have ripple effect.

[New Perspective studio]

I think that a good idea, IF hope and positivity inspires action to change... In most cases I think however people dont go past that, they stay on that it limits them and things never change.
Major social and political shifts from the people throughout history have always come from discontent, anger. When people are tired of hoping and know action is needed...when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of change, hope is what allows them to continue with their actions when it seems they are failing to persevere against impossible odds.
SO we have anger and discontent I know...
Burning down things and blaming the other race for problems, extended court arguments and investigations which in years dont amount to anything... Those are our current actions.
In the many years this has been happening what has really changed for the better? Nothing yet its the continued tactic.
They say the definition of stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result...

We need education.

[Smiley]

We need education.

Two thoughts:
I took 20+ years to break the SA education system, dumb it down, on purpose, as per the Russian manual on how to keep control of the population.

To fix it will take another generation and each year it is delayed, is another year added to the 20.


Current Situation:
We don't have the money nor the political willpower to fix it as those in charge have larger problems to focus on like the continuing fallout of State Capture, ANC factions etc.

We need leaders that can fiercely go where no-one has gone before.

Maybe Cyril pulls through, still too early ito the factions. SA will hop along till Cyril gets the rot cut out, sorted for the next SA president of sterling character.

.... or something is going to snap somewhere.


What irks the hell out of me.
Not for one moment do I believe the likes of Cyril and every other person of "power" in Government, the banks, the Reserve Bank, large media outlets, did not know of the rot.

KPMG knew. Monjane knew. Zuma knew. Mbeki knew ... list goes on and on.

"They" knew.

Today everyone is shocked when the likes of the Daily Maverick gets "new" evidence and publishes it.

Some news outlets published blatantly false information, having had to give back awards and having to retract the reports, not properly investigated ... ja right.

"They" all know in which cupboards the skeletons are kept.
Problem is, to open all the doors will result in thousands and thousands of criminal prosecutions, if taken from the top to the bottom.


And it is not only SA, it is an international problem.