Xenophobic Attacks in South Africa

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Blaming education is the easy way.
Whilst not denying that the denial of eductaion opportunity was wrong and has consequences education seems very much the play the victim syndrome.
I think I have over 100 Ethiopian clients, probably 10% have between grade 10 - 12. The rest average between grade 6 and 8.
Yet 98% of them own their own businesses, 2% arrived with soem money, the rest built their way up.

[Blurock]

From the responses here, I see that the problem revolves around survival. People feel that their being South Africans should ensure they have jobs to feed themselves and their families and as such refuse to bend down to menial jobs or petty biz.

These people also seem to be uneducated or not adequately educated for bluechip jobs. So they vent their frustration on these foreigners who after a few years seem to have broken even and living above board...with the accusation that foreigners occupy their job/empowerment space.

Doesn't look good as these form the majority of youths...

It all starts with politics and the communist/socialist way of thinking. Frog politics: put them all in a bucket. you don't need a lid because as soon as one tries to get to the top, the others will grab his hind legs and pull him down.

"You are not allowed to be better. You are one of us and should remain in your place." Collective thinking. Collective bargaining. An employer is not allowed to reward a loyal and dedicated worker. Everyone has to get the same. Quotas. Sports teams, government departments and businesses should reflect the demographics of the country in specific quantities and percentages. It is a sin to excel. Mediocrity and tokenism is being rewarded instead of achievement.

[wynn]

Can u please help with possible solutions,

I believe that the dominant political party has to remain the ANC for traditional reasons, the majority will not vote for any one else.

However I believe that the ANC has been 'Hi-jacked' through 'Gerrymandering' branch organizations by an NEC of corrupt, nepotistic, Afro-Jingoist, morally bankrupt, backboneless individuals.
It has to be wrestled back from this cancerous tendency (that is why we refer to them as the cANCer) and it needs to be restored to the once proud, moral organization it used to be before South Africa can progress as it should.

[mickyeddi]

Would you like it if citizens from your own country are being victimized and harassed in other nations?
There are lots of jobless south africans here in Sweden illegally and claiming social welfare, we don't set up on them and set them on fire like your lots because we are civilized people and not barbaric animals. You stated the foreigners are comitting crimes in your country, the last time I checked South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world with one of the highest murder rates in the world. Is it the foreigners that are comitting these crimes or your lazy people?? Is it not ironic that the white south africans that were accused of the apartheid are now the ones leading the move against Xenophobia in your country. You black south africans should be ashamed of yourselves and you are a disgrace to the black race.

[Pap_sak]

Mick - You will find most black South Afrikans are against the attacks - although some are not happy about the amount of foreigners they not going to attack them. This is the same as in many countries with large influxes of foreigners - as in the UK, Australia and many parts of Europe.

[flaker]

Would you like it if citizens from your own country are being victimized and harassed in other nations?
There are lots of jobless south africans here in Sweden illegally and claiming social welfare, we don't set up on them and set them on fire like your lots because we are civilized people and not barbaric animals. You stated the foreigners are comitting crimes in your country, the last time I checked South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world with one of the highest murder rates in the world. Is it the foreigners that are comitting these crimes or your lazy people?? Is it not ironic that the white south africans that were accused of the apartheid are now the ones leading the move against Xenophobia in your country. You black south africans should be ashamed of yourselves and you are a disgrace to the black race.

These illegal jobless South Africans claiming social welfare in your country, are they white or black? Is it proper to ask that, that is, in terms of white/black

[Butch Hannan]

Passing thought. When riots and looting happen very few of the participants are ever charged. Simple solution would be to load the water cannons that the police use with a permanent dye. this could be a wonderful hideous fluorescent green. They would glow brightly for the police to round them up and send them to a jail in the kalahari.

[Donmeca]

Passing thought. When riots and looting happen very few of the participants are ever charged. Simple solution would be to load the water cannons that the police use with a permanent dye. this could be a wonderful hideous fluorescent green. They would glow brightly for the police to round them up and send them to a jail in the kalahari.

Funny but very reasonable suggestion. Hope the govt looks at it.

[Donmeca]

Would you like it if citizens from your own country are being victimized and harassed in other nations?
There are lots of jobless south africans here in Sweden illegally and claiming social welfare, we don't set up on them and set them on fire like your lots because we are civilized people and not barbaric animals. You stated the foreigners are comitting crimes in your country, the last time I checked South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world with one of the highest murder rates in the world. Is it the foreigners that are comitting these crimes or your lazy people?? Is it not ironic that the white south africans that were accused of the apartheid are now the ones leading the move against Xenophobia in your country. You black south africans should be ashamed of yourselves and you are a disgrace to the black race.

Hello Micky,

Your words are understably strong in condemning the myopic views of those assailants who may represent a tiny minority of SAns yet cannot be prosecuted by the authorities...leaving one to think that the govt and/or traditional leaders are tacitly in support of the ethnic cleansing going on in SA suburbs. However, having read some threads here, I feel that majority of the people on this forum are White SAns. This could be linked to them (Whites) being the economic powerhouse in that country (Blacks still claim they were not allowed to go to school up until as recent as the end of apartheid).

I'm still trying to see websites in which to relate to majority Black SAns...as they seem to carry so much bitterness and "system-induced" laziness. They may be honest enough to tell what their real grieviances are.

[Donmeca]

It all starts with politics and the communist/socialist way of thinking. Frog politics: put them all in a bucket. you don't need a lid because as soon as one tries to get to the top, the others will grab his hind legs and pull him down.

"You are not allowed to be better. You are one of us and should remain in your place." Collective thinking. Collective bargaining. An employer is not allowed to reward a loyal and dedicated worker. Everyone has to get the same. Quotas. Sports teams, government departments and businesses should reflect the demographics of the country in specific quantities and percentages. It is a sin to excel. Mediocrity and tokenism is being rewarded instead of achievement.

I smell Communism...We prosper together and fail together...

[Donmeca]

I believe that the dominant political party has to remain the ANC for traditional reasons, the majority will not vote for any one else.

However I believe that the ANC has been 'Hi-jacked' through 'Gerrymandering' branch organizations by an NEC of corrupt, nepotistic, Afro-Jingoist, morally bankrupt, backboneless individuals.
It has to be wrestled back from this cancerous tendency (that is why we refer to them as the cANCer) and it needs to be restored to the once proud, moral organization it used to be before South Africa can progress as it should.

Your solution is of top politics...not even welfarist as at now but political structural changes.

Sorry I don't know much about ANC's internal politics but does your solution incorporate economic restructuring as advocated by Malema and his EFF?

[Donmeca]

I thank everyone for the content in the responses received on this thread. The maturity is commendable.

Seeing that majority of the responses here blame the "lazy, illiterate yet expectant" Blacks for unwillingness to start small and hence the violence, I wish to ask the ff questions.

1. How do you view the ownership of the SA economy? Paraphrased; what is your assessment of the distribution of wealth in South Africa?
2. Can the above economic scenario breed resentment, frustration, crime and xenophobic violence?

[vieome]

Seeing that majority of the responses here blame the "lazy, illiterate yet expectant" Blacks for unwillingness to start small and hence the violence.

Is that a fact or your opinion?

1. How do you view the ownership of the SA economy? Paraphrased; what is your assessment of the distribution of wealth in South Africa?

Are you looking for a color?

2. Can the above economic scenario breed resentment, frustration, crime and xenophobic violence?

What economic scenario do you see?

I thank everyone for the content in the responses received on this thread. The maturity is commendable.

LAW 40 - Despise the Free Lunch

The world over, there are rich people(minority) and poor people(majority). Sometimes the poor masses like locust rubbing knees in the feild can swarm into a riot, sometimes it it the rich minority rubbing the poors knees to bring them to swarm, as part of some game, to satisfy some ones play for power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Le_Bon

[Donmeca]

Is that a fact or your opinion?

Just my humble opinion as gathered from my understanding of the comments.

Are you looking for a color?

No, except it is absolutely necessary. Here in Nigeria, our wealth is skewed towards less than 1% of the people.

What economic scenario do you see?

Was supposed to come from 1 above, which you did not answer...so, I see none!

LAW 40 - Despise the Free Lunch

The world over, there are rich people(minority) and poor people(majority). Sometimes the poor masses like locust rubbing knees in the feild can swarm into a riot, sometimes it it the rich minority rubbing the poors knees to bring them to swarm, as part of some game, to satisfy some ones play for power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Le_Bon

Thanks. I am a fan of Robert Greene. It's the same everywhere...just that the SA experience seems to be wrongly channelled.

Regards.

[wynn]

Sorry I don't know much about ANC's internal politics but does your solution incorporate economic restructuring as advocated by Malema and his EFF?

The original ANC manifesto/freedom charter is really a socialist dream, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Charter

The reality is that the ANC is trying to cut a preexisting economic pie into more and more slices instead of growing the pie.