Private hospitals: a rehash of the drug pricing debacle?

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  • duncan drennan
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    • Jun 2006
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    #1

    Private hospitals: a rehash of the drug pricing debacle?

    It looks like we might be headed for another debacle similar to the pharmaceutical pricing one. Essentially hospitals are using a rebate scheme (similar to the one pharmacies were using) to increase their profits.

    Revelations of ethically suspect and opaque pricing practices in private hospitals have jolted the healthcare industry in recent weeks, but that is not the only problem the industry faces.

    Recent media reports have referred to the practice, in some hospitals, of charging medical schemes exaggerated fees for medical consumables. Essentially, the hospital asks a supplier to invoice it for a certain price for an item, say R100. It then charges medical schemes that price. However, the hospital demands an “off-invoice” rebate from the supplier, for example, R70. So the hospital is invoiced R100, it pays the supplier R100, bills the medical scheme for R100 and then, separately, collects a rebate of R70 from the supplier (see illustration below). It’s a complex form of markup. This practice is not illegal. However, it is opaque, and adds a layer of hidden transactions to the payment system.

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    Now, I'm not to concerned directly about the rebate scheme, the thing that worries me is what the underlying reason for them to do it. Is it because medical aids won't pay high enough prices to cover the expenses of procedures, or is it just an attempt to increase profits?

    One of the dangers of any private health (or otherwise) system that is an essential public service is that profits can easily end up in the driving seat, instead of patient care. So how does one get around this? Is it better to pour all the private health care funds into the state system and improve it? What are the systems used around the world? Where does it work best?

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  • Dave A
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    • May 2006
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    #2
    There was a stage when the medical aid industry was virtually dictating pricing to the medical service providers. Perhaps this off-invoice discount business started out as a negotiation tool by the medical services industry to try to get the medical aids to move more in their direction. I doubt it started out at those margins, but like all rotten practices, they have a habit of growing if left unchecked.

    If this was the case, to some extent the medical aid industry brought it upon themselves with their unilateral tariff system. (And that might be a big if).

    There is little doubt that increases in medical tarifs have far outstripped inflation. And the difference these off-invoice discounts make to margins is, quite simply, astronomical.

    I think this relates quite closely to Yvonne's post on Increasing levels of legislation and regulation. There is great cause for concern here.
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    • duncan drennan
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      • Jun 2006
      • 2642

      #3
      Originally posted by Dave A
      There was a stage when the medical aid industry was virtually dictating pricing to the medical service providers. Perhaps this off-invoice discount business started out as a negotiation tool by the medical services industry to try to get the medical aids to move more in their direction.
      I was wondering pretty much the same thing. With my wife being in the medical field she has been exposed to (but luckily not affected by) the way that medical aids operate.

      I was wondering if say a procedure cost R12k but the medical aid only would pay R10k, but would pay higher than cost related rates for disposables (e.g. R100 for something that actually costs R30), that the hospitals are recovering their expenses that way, and it actually benefits the patient, who would otherwise have to cover the R2k themselves.

      It is really all very murky.

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      • RKS Computer Solutions
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        • Apr 2007
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        #4
        My daughter is turning 3 on 6 August, bless the little devil, love her to death...

        My wife, being European (Slovakian), comes with its ups and downs... One of those was finding out that my daughter, then 6 1/2 months, was diagnosed with a hip problem, which was not picked up by the "quacks" in the UK where she was born. (For those interested, the hip ball joint doesn't develop into the hip socket and so can prevent a person from being able to move normally or even being able to walk at all)

        The specialist told me straight out, R25,000.00 give or take a few rand for the operation if done with the backing of a Medical Aid...

        We then sat down and spoke to the hospital, specialist and narcotics(??) people to find out what pricing difference it would make if paid in cash.

        Long story short, being able to hand over cheque's on the day of the operation to the surgeons and the hospital the day she was released, meant we only ended up paying about R15,000.00 for the complete ordeal.

        Later, we took the bills to the medical aid and got reimbursed in full for the total amount.

        Not everyone is always in a position when something like this happens to put down the cash and get a better price, but that single instance showed me that taking the Medical Aid out of the picture, saved us a hell of a lot of money...

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        • RKS Computer Solutions
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          • Apr 2007
          • 626

          #5
          Another point I should make. Even though we have full Medical Aid cover, I don't use it for going to the doctors... Saving it up for the missus and little one...

          Our local doctor has a clinic, which basically means: instead of paying R25 surcharge for the M/A and then having R180 deducted off your allowance by them, then having to pay a 30% surcharge on pills/potions at the pharmacist, which also gets deducted from M/A allowance; I walk in, pay R175 to see the doc, and get the same medicine (albeit generic versions) and walk out the door and get better...

          No further bills and no allowance shrinking because of overcharging by either doctors or pharmacies... If your local doctor has a similar setup and can offer you the same, I suggest you have a look at going that route instead of tapping into your M/A and being overcharged.

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          • Dave A
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            • May 2006
            • 22803

            #6
            Here's a thought. Is the government stepping in and regulating the industry going to improve this situation. Gov has made progress in a few areas, noably getting infrastructure into previously poorly supported areas. But my rough sense of plus's and minus's tends to show that more often than not gov intervention in the formal sector has had unexpected negative side-effects that often outweigh the hoped for benefits. The medicine pricing case is a prime example. The attempt to make medicine "more affordable" led to some stock items becoming hard to come by. (Or was that actually non-viable?)
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            • duncan drennan
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              • Jun 2006
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              #7
              Social heath insurance on the cards?

              Healthcare is one of the few industries that is, in some respects, genuinely insensitive to price. When it comes to restoring their health, most people are willing to go to great lengths to finance any medical interventions they possibly can, regardless of the cost. Besides being relatively price insensitive, people also generally believe that they have a right to healthcare, that all the sick deserve to be treated. This is why many countries, including South Africa, enshrine the right to health or healthcare in their constitutions. This also means that every country in the world has grappled with the question of how to fund and organise its healthcare system.

              There are two major kinds of healthcare system: privately funded, competitive free-market systems and publicly funded, co-operative systems. Most of the social democracies in Europe use a publicly funded system to deliver healthcare. The United Kingdom's National Health Service is a good example of this, as is the French healthcare system. Few countries use a purely privately funded system; the United States is one of those countries that emphasises the role of markets and competition. South Africa uses a combination of private and public healthcare systems to deliver services to its people.

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              For these reasons, the problems of competition in healthcare and the inequalities in the South African system, the SA government plans to gradually introduce social health insurance (SHI). SHI will be a national insurance programme that applies to all employed people, capturing them in a large risk pool and covering them for a package of minimum healthcare benefits. Whether this will help to even out the system and improve health outcomes remains to be seen.

              Full article on MoneyWeb
              The full article is definitely worth a read. So now we are going to have forced retirement savings, and possibly forced social health insurance — good or bad, what do you think?

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              • Dave A
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                • May 2006
                • 22803

                #8
                I hope after all these mandatory contributions being contemplated, there is enough change left to pay for all the trivial stuff that is obviously of lessor importance - like food, rent, electricity and our kids' education.

                Heck. Lets start a national insurance scheme for that too. That should solve the problem.
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                • Dave A
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                  • May 2006
                  • 22803

                  #9
                  More on the medical aid situation here.
                  Clash over how to get the most from your healthcare rand

                  At a conference this week, medical schemes, hospitals and doctors blamed each other for the ills that scheme members encounter with their cover.
                  July 28, 2007

                  By Laura du Preez

                  Amid its own secret profits scandal, highly polarised views, some bickering and a number of genuine attempts to offer solutions, the medical schemes industry met this week to discuss issues arising from how schemes spend the R66 billion a year you contribute to them.

                  More than 800 representatives of medical schemes, administrators, doctors, managed-care entities, hospitals and pharmaceutical com-panies, as well as brokers, met in Sun City for the Board of Healthcare Funders (BHF) annual conference. The theme of this year's meeting was "Squaring the circle", and reaching consensus on how to cure the ills of the medical schemes industry did prove to be elusive.

                  Dr Rajesh Patel, the head of the benefit and risk department of the BHF, announced that medical schemes will spend R2 billion this year to cover the cost of the secret mark-ups - or off-invoice rebates - private hospitals make on medical devices and materials.

                  Days later, Discovery Health, which administers the country's largest open medical scheme, produced evidence it had gathered of the mark-ups on syringes, swabs, surgeons' gowns, catheters and the like that ranged from 1 160 percent to 400 percent.

                  Two large hospital groups, MediClinic and Life Health, denied involvement in the mark-ups, but a third large group, Netcare, said the rebates it receives on medical devices and materials are no more than 50 percent.

                  Netcare says it uses the rebates it receives on devices and materials to subsidise the ward and theatre fees it charges. This is the same argument the private hospitals used to justify raising their ward and theatre fees after the medicine pricing regulations stopped them from making profits on the medicines used in hospitals.

                  Netcare denies it is making super-profits, claiming its modest returns are lower than those made by other healthcare roleplayers such as the surgical device, pharmaceutical and medical scheme administration industries.

                  However, the high fees that private hospitals charge are being investigated by the Department of Health and the Competition Commission, the conference heard.

                  Afterwards, Health Minister Dr Manto Tshabalala-Msimang issued a statement noting her department's concern about the rebates on medical devices and materials, and Patrick Masobe, the Registrar of Medical Schemes, says he will meet Discovery about it next week.
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                  • duncan drennan
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                    • Jun 2006
                    • 2642

                    #10
                    More news on this,

                    Netcare found itself in the eye of a storm recently amid accusations that it benefited from non-transparent pricing and for not passing on rebates from suppliers to its customers.

                    This week the Mail & Guardian approached eight medical device suppliers. Three of Netcare’s suppliers agreed to talk anonymously. They explained how the hospital giant pressured medical device suppliers into inflating invoices and paying rebates.

                    One of the eight medical device suppliers claimed that it had never been approached to inflate invoices.

                    Medical devices comprise medical equipment ranging from gloves to gowns, masks, syringes, prosthetics and implants.

                    Netcare chief executive Richard Friedland adamantly denies the allegations made by the suppliers, telling the M&G this week that there is no evidence to support them.

                    The ruckus over rebates occurs at a time when government is beginning to ask questions about the cost of private healthcare in South Africa.

                    Full story on M&G Online

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                    • Chatmaster
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                      • Aug 2006
                      • 1065

                      #11
                      Originally posted by dsd
                      Social heath insurance on the cards?

                      ...and possibly forced social health insurance — good or bad, what do you think?
                      Is it just me or does it seem like government seem to think they have to play mommy and daddy for the more and more people? I cannot help but to wonder why they are interfering more and more in what should be a decision taken by us. If I have a medical aid, hospital plan or nothing is my business. And if the health department is going to run the SHI I do not want to know what a mess it will be. And if they really want to mess it up they must give it to ICASA to regulate and Telkom to run!
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                      • Dave A
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                        • May 2006
                        • 22803

                        #12
                        I just have to agree with Chatmaster. Government's track record on achieving the target results when "intervening" has been less than encouraging so far.

                        Government has got good cause for concern about the cost of private healthcare. The more expensive private healthcare is, the more people that are dependant on gov's healthcare system. And I can understand why they might want to shift the cost of that load.

                        But let's face it, which hospitals are having problems in providing adequate healthcare? The government run institutions or the private ones?

                        Government needs to demonstrate its ability to run a decent facility before it starts meddling with the private sector.
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                        • duncan drennan
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                          • Jun 2006
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                          #13
                          I found it quite interesting that Cuba has a free health system which costs far less than the UK NHS, and functions better than the US health system.

                          This snapshot of Havana shows a healthcare system that is extensive, accessible and, at times, ropey. What is unique is the blend of third world conditions with a progressive ethos and first world results.

                          Michael Moore’s documentary, Sicko, holds up Cuba as a model. Whether it is a consultation, dentures or open-heart surgery, citizens are entitled to free treatment. As a result this impoverished Caribbean island has better health indicators than its much wealthier neighbour 144km across the Florida straits.

                          “There’s a reason Cubans live on average longer than we do,” Moore told Time magazine. “I’m not trumpeting [Fidel] Castro or his regime. I just want to say to fellow Americans, ‘C’mon, we’re the United States. If they can do this, we can do it.’”

                          Other outsiders such as Kofi Annan, the former United Nations secretary general, a United Kingdom parliamentary select committee, and an array of NGOs have also lauded Cuban healthcare. Even some senior US officials, between bouts of Castro-bashing, have ceded some plaudits.

                          “Health and education are the revo-lution’s pillars of legitimacy so the government has to make them work,” says a senior Western diplomat in Havana. “If they don’t it loses all its moral authority. My sense is that the health system is quite good.”

                          But how good, exactly? And how does Cuba do it given such limited means? Neither question is easy to answer. The communist government is not transparent, some statistics are questionable and citizens have reason to muffle complaints lest they be jailed as political dissidents.

                          According to the World Health Organisation, a Cuban man can expect to live to 75 and a woman to 79. The probability of a child dying aged under five is five per 1 000 live births. That is better than the US and on a par with the UK.

                          Yet these world-class results are delivered by a shoestring annual per capita health expenditure of $260 -- less than a 10th of Britain’s $3 065 and a fraction of the US’s $6 543.

                          There is no mystery about Cuba’s core strategy: prevention. From promoting exercise, hygiene and regular check-ups, the system is geared towards averting illnesses and treating them before they become advanced and costly.

                          Full article on M&G Online

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                          • Dave A
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                            • May 2006
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                            #14
                            I'd suspect the MacDonalds index would also give a clue as to how it is done so cheaply. But of course - no MacDonalds.
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                            • Yvonne
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                              • May 2006
                              • 361

                              #15
                              Anyone read the letter printed in the latest copy of noseweek from a qualified nursing sister regarding her treatment in a private hospital?
                              Besides a lack of sufficiently qualified nurses on duty, additional medical costs caused by negligence by untrained staff, whilst bedridden for 5 days did not receive a bed bath as she did not have her own soap, her account was "inflated" and on advising her medical aid about the errors, was told that they had an agreement with the private clinic that all accounts presented would be paid in full without query?

                              How can medical aids justify increased premiums on the basis of increased funds paid out, if they blatantly make no attempt to even address fraudulent costs?

                              Yvonne

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