Got A SANRAL/e-toll Invoice what now?

[KristiKat]

Apparently I got "snapped" while I was doing deliveries for my employer in Pretoria.

I did not open it yet, and was wondering what should I do now?

Apparently it is a criminal offence if you don't pay, cannot afford a criminal record, going to force my boss to pay it.

Funny thing is that the SYSTEM is not as of yet legitimized...and is still pending before the Supreme Court of Appeal on its "constitutionality"... WHICH Is also bothersome since constitutional matters should be heard by the Constitutional Court and not the Supreme Court of Appeal??!!!

Apparently they are SMSing people and sending them accounts to extort them into paying for a system that is not yet declared LEGIT.

CIVIL RESISTANCE against an unconstitutional system....read up on the link provided, that trade unions are also coming up in resistance thereof.

* criminal consequences when you don't pay your e-tolls............... how can it be criminal if there is no final verdict yet when it comes to the constitutionality of the legislation?

my uncle is paying my niece's e-toll accounts because he fears they are going to pull her over (being a white woman alone) and arrest her for her outstanding e-toll debts.....

[IanF]

Have a look at OUTA website they spell out your options very clearly.
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As a lawyer you will be in a better position to advise us.

[KristiKat]

my boss who is a LAWYER and has been for a very long time,

told me to throw it away,

after all you cannot force your employer to pay it.

[KristiKat]

what I find disturbing is that OUTA asks money to raise funds for doing the COURT CASE,

as if getting enough money from the PUBLIC is the main factor that will determine its success in fighting this.

this is a Constitutional issue and PEOPLE should be allowed to ADDRESS THE COURT freely in such cases.

and cases have to be taken up PRO BONO, if it has a huge effect on (and concerns) a moral certainty of society.

[KristiKat]

Have a look at OUTA website they spell out your options very clearly.
e-tolls-to-tag-or-not-if-not-then-what
As a lawyer you will be in a better position to advise us.

what are you doing?

are you paying yours if any?

[pmbguy]

If everybody chucks the bill in the bin and plays stupid then e-toll is dead. It only works and will work when we participate. If we cooperate not to cooperate then we got them by the short and curlies. We can make it all go away before they get a chance to pull us over.

[KristiKat]

First off all,

these bodies (Appellants) in the case brought the ISSUE in the wrong COURT,

they should continue it in the CONSTITUTIONAL COURT.

COURT CASE SUMMARY

actual judgment on leave of appeal

whenever it is about constitutionality of legislation, the application should be brought in the CONSTITUTIONAL COURT not in the HIGH COURT.

just funny that no one told them that, not even the judges presiding in the high court...

wonder why?

is the COURT SYSTEM now screwing itself over?

[Justloadit]

Firstly OUTA needs money to fight the case, as they need to employ advocates. Many of them have done probono work, but you can not spend half a year fighting a case with no income.

Secondly I have not paid my invoices, as the moment you pay, you accept their terms and conditions.

Thirdly SANRAL has been lying to the public, by stating that it is a criminal offense if you do not pay, and attempting to fool the public with SMSs and in one case that I know phoning the user for money. Just shows you the caliber of people we are dealing with at SANRAL.
The invoice is a civil case, and as such SANRAL must follow the same rules as any private company to get money out of a customer by issuing an invoice. It is gona cost them plenty of money to follow this route and also the courts will not be able to cope.

So hang onto the no payment route, we will beat them yet. It will take a good few months before it starts biting SANRAL. BE STRONG AND HOLD OUT

[IanF]

what are you doing?

are you paying yours if any?

I got a bill the other day and have ignored it. Lets see what happens.

[IanF]

First off all,

these bodies (Appellants) in the case brought the ISSUE in the wrong COURT,

they should continue it in the CONSTITUTIONAL COURT.

COURT CASE SUMMARY

actual judgment on leave of appeal

whenever it is about constitutionality of legislation, the application should be brought in the CONSTITUTIONAL COURT not in the HIGH COURT.

just funny that no one told them that, not even the judges presiding in the high court...

wonder why?

is the COURT SYSTEM now screwing itself over?

I thought for an issue to go to the constitutional court it had to be referred from a lower court first.

Is this not the case?

[HR Solutions]

I never signed a contract with them and they are getting me into debt beyond my means. Thats reckless lending on their part.

[wynn]

Just RTS the envelope 'Adressee unknown' then see what they do.

[pmbguy]

I still fondly remember the first time I heard a sanral ad, something funny about using teleportation as an alternative to the highways. They were attempting to pacify future resistance because “hey its the only practical option” spiel.

[KristiKat]

Firstly OUTA needs money to fight the case, as they need to employ advocates. Many of them have done probono work, but you can not spend half a year fighting a case with no income.

Secondly I have not paid my invoices, as the moment you pay, you accept their terms and conditions.

Thirdly SANRAL has been lying to the public, by stating that it is a criminal offense if you do not pay, and attempting to fool the public with SMSs and in one case that I know phoning the user for money. Just shows you the caliber of people we are dealing with at SANRAL.
The invoice is a civil case, and as such SANRAL must follow the same rules as any private company to get money out of a customer by issuing an invoice. It is gona cost them plenty of money to follow this route and also the courts will not be able to cope.

So hang onto the no payment route, we will beat them yet. It will take a good few months before it starts biting SANRAL. BE STRONG AND HOLD OUT

yes it can be seen as civil when you agree to ENTER into a contract with them...

thing i have noticed is that on the day I went through the N1 toll route,

WHITE photographers were sitting there in front of the "loop of overhead cameras",

got me thinking,

so why should we pay for A SYSTEM that does NOT WORK?

when they have to get photographers to do it manually?

[KristiKat]

I still fondly remember the first time I heard a sanral ad, something funny about using teleportation as an alternative to the highways. They were attempting to pacify future resistance because “hey its the only practical option” spiel.

well let's hope this inspires engineers to make more useful technology that does not exploit humans/society,

they probably only did it because they had no other choice to feed their families too...

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I never signed a contract with them and they are getting me into debt beyond my means. Thats reckless lending on their part.

yep, did we sign an IOU?

THEY would probably classify it as WE DID,

since we are subconsciously enjoying the benefits of a "social contract" we went on with the government

the moment we breathed air in this world, to get an ID,

and to start paying tax,

as part of being the cattle and bar coding we must accept it as our lot.

I thought for an issue to go to the constitutional court it had to be referred from a lower court first.

Is this not the case?

not always - read here interesting case law

we can see social upheaval perhaps as a matter of urgency no?