Unashamedly Ethical

[adrianh]

Good one...now why in the world would I keep my views secret. You don't like views that don't agree with yours, hey. Nah, you clearly don't understand how 'I don't give a $h1t' works, it is a wonderful outlook that ensures that one is always happy no matter what happens.

[wynn]

This is the rule!!!! OK?

[Blurock]

Not giving s#it is maybe the reason for the high rate of corruption our country. As long as I am OK and getting away with whatever goes, I am OK.

I pay higher taxes so that Zoom Zoom can build himself a palace. I pay higher rates so that municipal officials can start a tender business. People who want to make a difference get criticized for doing something. They get disheartened by the apathy and lazy attitude of the fat cat majority.

If you want change, it starts with you.

[adrianh]

Aye, you know what, the problem in life is that people just want to hear what they want to hear. As long as one agrees with whatever is said then all is ok...well you know what: F..that. I don't make out as if I am towing the party line. if you want me to agree with what you say it ain't going to happen and further, you need to understand that I don't piss you off, your own mind pisses you off for all in life is perception, nothing less and nothing more. I am unable to make you do anything, you choose to get pissed off and you choose to be annoyed by my views, my views are mine, take them, leave them, I couldn't care less, why do you?

I don't give a royal rats left nut for change, for politics, for the masses or for any of that crap. I couldn't care less who does what, I do what I want, I believe what I want and I live my life as I want. My mind is free and my spirit is free, if the dumba$$es want to run around like rats going round and round the great circle that they created for their own little rat race then they must knock themselves out, I just sit by and laugh at them.

At the end of the day its all p1$$ & paint (make up to make it all look nice) - people run around chasing some or other horse crap ideal, for what, there was a time when wars were fought, when discoveries were made, when what we we did mattered, today it is all about the buck, who makes the money, who keeps the money, who spends the money and who wastes the money. We waste our lives on chasing the big house and the big car, for what, to be able to show Johnny next door that we have that new plastic thing that will last for the next 2 years only to be replaced by the next piece of crap plastic thing...

F...it, I couldn't care less, I want a good woman who I can worship, cherish, love and adore, I want art, beauty, style, class, music, gardens and sunsets on the beach...give me an island where I can wallow in all things wonderful...

My view is very simple: F...IT...

You don't have to fight with me because you ain't going to convice me otherwise, the best is just to leave me to live in my own mental world where all those ideals are possible, where reality doesn't intrude, where the perfect woman is, where the sunset is perfect and the masses are living in Atlantis...

As Darkangelyaya says:

"There is none as dangerous as the one with nothing to lose"

This lady rocks because she knows that the only moment is NOW...

: I don't actually give royal continental f_ck

You need to live today because you could be under a truck tomorrow.

[Blurock]

@adrianh, so if you don't give a royal continental then why do you even bother to make a stupid comment and try to dissuade the people that do care?

If you are so happy in your little world, why get offended by other people? Why not just leave them to do what makes them happy?

[adrianh]

Touche, it makes me happy to tell other people what makes my happy.

Why does what makes me happy offend you so?

Why should I leave them to do what makes them happy, it gives me great pleasure to upset them, to make them think about the rubbish that they believe. Why do they get upset, if they truly believe in what they say them they would be able to defend it without having to wave a sharp pointy stick each time I question their views.

[Dave A]

Having had more than enough exposure to just how subjective "fair" and "unfair" perceptions can be, and the incredible ability for humans to rationalise their every action, I do have some empathy for Adrian's point of view.

It may seem extreme, but it's honest, transparent, and you know exactly where you stand.

[gac]

Whilst I respect the right to an opinion, adrianh seems to go extraordinary lengths to drop his opinion on what, in this case, is an invitation to like minded people to consider supporting a good cause. Just why he chooses to dump his take in the manner he does is hard to understand and frankly borders on the offensive.

[adrianh]

My dear friend, I do not offend you, you are offended by your perception of my view. Why does my view offend you, its my view and its my perogative, why should I only express a view that suits you. You need to realize that the world is a big place and your view is one of many, I am not offended by your view, to the contrary, it is your view and it belongs to you, who am I to change it.

You need to understand that we all hold different views, I believe in The Chuch of the Flying Spagetti Monster and that is my right, if you want to believe in Christianity or whatever then that is your right. You see, I don't mind whatever view you hold and you shouldn't mind whatever view I hold, and anyway, why do you care, I am just a teeny weeny speck of not much at all roving about this great planet. You want to spend your time convincing me that your view is better than mine, that's fine. I've got all the time in the world to go round and round debating the issue, for as you see, I am having fun, I am listening to Queen, drinking a beer, doing 3D modelling and just contenplating life the universe and everything...and its great...

[gac]

I'm not trying to convince you at all or change your view, what makes you think that? Gotta watch those misguided perceptions you instruct me about fella. If you go back to the start of this thread it was an Invitation to like minded people and clearly we carry different views, which is totally acceptable. If you wish to believe in the Church of the FSM you'e quite entitled to it and I have no intention of persuading you otherwise.

[adrianh]

Cool, then we are on the same page.

[Mike C]

@ adrian - I enjoy the way you think. It boggles my mind sometimes, but it does challenge my own thinking. What I want to ask is what you think of the quote in the original posting.

Edmund Burke, a wise and respected Irish Political philospher said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

If we all didn't care a hoot, would we not be surrendering ourselves to either anarchy or domination. In other words, lets say the Govt decided that they were entitled to take your home from you ... would you still not care, or would you like to fight back and have the support of others who would also fight an injustice?

[adrianh]

The question is this: What is worth fighting for?

Would you strap a bomb to your body and blow up a car, would you sell everything you own and give it to the poor, would you take a 50% cut in salary to provide an inclome for the poor?

You see, the problem is that we are only willing to fight for that which we consider to be convenient. People will only lose weight if they can do so provided that it is convenient....have you ever seen an obese person in a concentration camp?

Now, I think that one needs to choose your battles, if some feel that p1$$1ng against the wind with 50 other people is the thing to do then good for them but it is no way to wage a war. Those 50 people are not fighting a battle, all that they are doing is pinning a little flag to a mast and running about telling everybody about the flag. The point that noboby gets is that the flag is not important, you don't need to wave the flag for everybody to see, all you need to do is to do whatever it is you believe in.

To get back to not caring any less, well you know, there are hundreds of thousands of people who are better educated, resourced and influential than I will ever be. They spent many years learning and earning in the search of truth, justice, money and all that stuff. They are responsible for the things that they are responsible for and they must just get on with it. When I go to see a doctor to get a operation I don't worry about it or question the doctor on whether he washes his hands, I don't care, because I trust that he will do what he is supposed to. I do what I sense is appropriate and I couldn't care less for anything else.

I am not going to wind myself up about the sillyness that the government gets up to and I am not going to run around waving a flag saying that I am getting wound up about it. I will continue to lead my life in my own way and make my own path up my own mountain....and you know what, I am going to collect all the cheese that I can find along the way. Nobody gets to move my cheese, It's mine to do with as I please.

[Mike C]

Adrian, I think that you have wriggled out of answering the question by posing another question and answering that one instead - are you a politician perhaps.

There is something within me that admires (even desires) your "I don't care attitude", but there is also something within me (call it a social concience or even "guilt" if you will) that says that we need to care for others around us.

The message of the "poem" by Martin Niemoller (in all its variations) has always bothered me ...

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Perhaps it could be that I would hate to be left to fight alone and so these words "manipulate" me into fighting the fight for others, but it also stirs up a sense of duty in me making we want to add my voice to those who are fighting for (what I believe to be) right and just.

[Blurock]

@adrianh, if you don't give a s#it, why then do you go to such lengths to explain your position? Why do you always have to make a point and get into verbal fights with other Forum members? (your rants against tec0 and others are well recorded).

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. A difference of opinion encourages debate, because we do sometimes realise that we have not considered the other side of the coin. By belittling other members and their opinions, we are not adding to the debate, we are only inviting confrontation.