Who do you think will be next president of the ANC?

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  • duncan drennan
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    • Jun 2006
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    #1

    Who do you think will be next president of the ANC?

    So who do you think will be the next president of the ANC? Not who you want, but who do you think is the most likely to become the next president of the ANC?

    Oh, and who else should I add to the list?
    71
    Thabo Mbeki
    0%
    8
    Jacob Zuma
    0%
    11
    Tokyo Sexwale
    0%
    25
    Cyril Rhamaphosa
    0%
    14
    Kgalema Motlanthe
    0%
    7
    Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka
    0%
    3
    Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma
    0%
    3

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  • Dave A
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    • May 2006
    • 22803

    #2
    Geez. Talk about skipping the easy ones.

    Looking from the outside it would look like JZ is the front-runner. But is there a possibility of a "compromise" candidate making the running...

    An interesting list of possibles you've got there Mr. Drennan.
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    • duncan drennan
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      • Jun 2006
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      #3
      Originally posted by Dave A
      An interesting list of possibles you've got there Mr. Drennan.
      Anyone I've missed?

      I'm still struggling to decide who my money is on. Maybe we should set up a kitty

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      • Dave A
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        • May 2006
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        #4
        I'm trying to think of people with demonstrated strong influence within the party...
        A real wild card - Trevor Manuel? I'm not sure he'd take the nomination though even if it came.
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        • stephanfx
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          • Apr 2007
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          #5
          To be honest, I actually hope TS makes it, I really think that he might be able to make a positive contribution to this country, especially for 2010.

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          • duncan drennan
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            • Jun 2006
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            #6
            Interesting perspective on the current president — I have no idea. Any thoughts on this article?

            Niccolò Machiavelli observed, "a truly great man is ever the same under all circumstances; and if his fortune varies, exalting him at one moment and oppressing him at another, he himself never varies, but always preserves a firm courage, which is so closely interwoven with his character that every one can readily see that the fickleness of fortune has no power over him."

            "The conduct of weak men" Machiavelli continued, "is very different. Made vain and intoxicated by good fortune, they attribute their success to merits which they do not possess, and this makes them odious and insupportable to all around them. And when they have afterwards to meet a reverse of fortune, they quickly fall into the other extreme, and become abject and vile."

            South Africa's shifting of power relations in the early to mid-1990s provides ample support for the truth of this observation. For instance, there are numerous accounts of how Mbeki changed after coming into power.

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            • Dave A
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              • May 2006
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              #7
              Quite a sharp article - in more ways than one.
              As white South Africa lost power between 1992 and 1996 one could witness the reverse happening, with many once vain individuals becoming vile. There were numerous NP politicians who - having dutifully implemented apartheid in the name of white survival - joined a black nationalist ANC. There were also members of the old English establishment who made the strange journey from lording it over the liberation movements, when they were banned or in opposition, to cravenly defending the actions of the ANC in power.
              Aint that the truth. One person who has really stood out from the crowd for sticking to principle in this transition though is Desmond Tutu.
              If and when Mbeki's rivals for the ANC presidency finally declare themselves, it is not sufficient - in judging their fitness for office - to ask who they are, or how they have conducted themselves in the past. A further important question is whether they are likely to be changed by the immense power that will fall into their possession.
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              • Dave A
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                • May 2006
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                #8
                Are we seeing the start of some decidedly undemocratic tactics here? There seems to be a bit of a stir going on about assassination attempts, alleged overseas funding, and then this comment...
                Intelligence Minister Ronnie Kasrils has denied that the report was the work of his agencies, including the National Intelligence Agency, the Independent said. Kasrils warned that "sinister elements" might try to exploit the current political climate in South Africa.
                from M&G here
                Current political climate? Ronnie seems to think we're at a delicate point, by the sounds of things.
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                • stephanfx
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                  • Apr 2007
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                  #9
                  Heard this morning on Morning Live about a top secret report about Angola and Lybian leaders funding Jacob Zuma to overthrow Mbeki. If this is the case, Jacob Zuma is really in the soup.

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                  • Dave A
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                    • May 2006
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                    #10
                    I'm having trouble buying that - I just don't see Angola's or Libya's motivation in getting involved in something like that for starters.

                    This makes it likely that there has been some conjuring going on - and the big question is why?
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                    • stephanfx
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                      • Apr 2007
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                      #11
                      I also thought about this maybe just being a ploy to discredited Zuma in the ANC... I don't know much about politics, but it looks like Zuma is now in for round two (Round one being the corruption scandal).

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                      • duncan drennan
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                        • Jun 2006
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                        #12
                        Is Sexwale the ideal "compromise candidate"?

                        Tokyo Sexwale may prove not to be the last word on the subject; it is still entirely plausible that someone else will appear from the smoke and mirrors that constitute the unwritten lore of the ANC’s culture of leadership selection. I can think of three very obvious potential candidates whose credentials match or better those of Sexwale. One has the initials “CR” and the other two “TM” (and neither is the current president).

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                        Indeed, it is precisely because he [Sexwale] would represent such a breath of fresh air compared to the current leader’s neurotic approach, and its knock-on effect on the style of government, that many will support him.

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                        Zuma will not be the next president because the establishment simply will not countenance it. Mbeki will respect the constitutional two-term limit, and once the threat of a Zuma presidency (of the ANC and thence the country) is finally put to sleep, the one pragmatic justification for him remaining president of the ANC will thankfully dissipate.

                        Full story on M&G Online

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                        • Dave A
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                          • May 2006
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                          #13
                          Reading the article, we might be missing two TM's in that poll.
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                          • duncan drennan
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                            • Jun 2006
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dave A
                            Reading the article, we might be missing two TM's in that poll.
                            But who are they??

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                            • Dave A
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                              • May 2006
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                              #15
                              Trevor Manuel for one.

                              Somehow I don't think the other would be Tim Modise...
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