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[Justloadit]

Justloadit > I know nothing

See your argument is that everyone is out to screw you… Truth is you want money and you want cheap labour. Point is however, you will get what you get eventually. I can scream my head of here but the truth is Labour broking will become a reality. You will get everything you wish for.

Yes you are quite right, I have found that everyone is out to screw me. My ex partner did me in, because I was too trustworthy. My brother in law did me in becauue I was trust worthy, the number of people that I have given free product to sell on my behalf, who sold the product and kept the money, never to return. The number of staff loans that have never been paid, and the list goes on and on, and if I add the numbers up, I would never have to work again, they run into the millions. So yes unfortunately, I do not trust society any more.

However, you will no longer be the owner of your company. Consider this if the Labour broker is unhappy with you? They pull out how much money will you make then? They own the manpower thus they own you... When you get a bad name with 1 labour broker and others refuse to do business with you?

En dan ou maatjie wat maak jy dan?

Make no mistake I know of no less than two businesses that labour brokers won't touch…

There is no problem, I can hire staff again, with 3 months fixed working contract, and they go away once complete. When you are an entrepreneur, you always make a plan.

You make it sound like an employee cannot be held liable? They can and employers do keep them liable. I agree with the automation part. I would do the same. I will admit I lost this argument. But I fear employers and employees will lose more than ever if they hand over an asset such as manpower to another company.

But what do I know…

Yes an employee is liable, but the amount of time, effort and money to do the right thing, could readily be used in marketing and getting more sales in. So now one third of my day is spent sorting out HR problems, which in turn makes no money, it supposedly saves costs, note there is a difference, making profits or saving on expenses, what is the answer. You can not save money if you are not making a profit.So what are we in business for, is it not to make a profit? If not then join the church and become a social worker, you never have to worry about expenses any more, you just live on gratitude received.

[adrianh]

So tel me tec0, as a man who seems to know so much about running a business;
How many people do you employ?
Do you have an HR practitioner at the businesss that you own?
Have you had to deal with labour issues at the business that you run?
What sort of profit margin does your business make, did you give it all back to your staff?
Have your staff stolen from you?

@justloadit - the answer is simple - (as an employee i used to say "If you want loyalty then get a dog" well as an employer this is what I have to say "Nobody moves my cheese, its mine to do with as I please"
Have your staff come to work drunk?

[tec0]

Yes you are quite right, I have found that everyone is out to screw me. My ex partner did me in, because I was too trustworthy. My brother in law did me in becauue I was trust worthy, the number of people that I have given free product to sell on my behalf, who sold the product and kept the money, never to return. The number of staff loans that have never been paid, and the list goes on and on, and if I add the numbers up, I would never have to work again, they run into the millions. So yes unfortunately, I do not trust society any more.

And so it happens, it is a universal truth that people will take from one till everything is gone. Such is the baptism of business. The soul dies as each knife enters one's back. I know the sting all too well. I have lost much in my life. I spend a lot of time reminiscing exploring the "what if".

It is only natural or so I presume…

It is ever more difficult to recover from the last backstabbing as each time more is lost then the last. Yes why not entertain the Labour broker as they promise no restriction and you are free from the burdens of employment. You can finally write that e-mail to the union explaining how they can take there foot and stick it where the sun don't shine. All of us dreamed to send a similar e-mail I am sure.

Still I cannot help but think that when something is too good to be true it normally is…

Good luck to you Justloadit

[Dave A]

I spend a lot of time reminiscing exploring the "what if".

Heck! If I did that I'd go insane

"Keep the lessons and dump the baggage" is what works for me.

[tec0]

So tel me tec0, as a man who seems to know so much about running a business;
How many people do you employ?
Do you have an HR practitioner at the businesss that you own?
Have you had to deal with labour issues at the business that you run?
What sort of profit margin does your business make, did you give it all back to your staff?
Have your staff stolen from you?

That doesn’t matter anymore… I have lost everything anyway… Every idea stolen… Every contract I got for my partners remained with them. Right now I am just surviving. I hope this gives you the warm feeling you where looking for.

So go ahead rub my face in it…

Truth is I have experienced every level of loss you can imagine. I have experienced every level of backstabbing you can think of. So in that respect I think I know enough to warn others.

[Justloadit]

@justloadit - the answer is simple - (as an employee i used to say "If you want loyalty then get a dog" well as an employer this is what I have to say "Nobody moves my cheese, its mine to do with as I please"

Hi Adrian,

I don't want loyalty, I just want you to arrive on time, start work, not go make coffee and talk sh!t for 15 minutes in my time, ensure you keep my place clean, observe the tea and lunch times, do what you are paid to do in a timely manner, make sure it's right first time, and don't F.. up my tools, treat my customers with respect, don't steal my things, and if you f... up, own up and pay me back by working free hours, after all it was your fault for f... it up. Also, please I don't want to know about your problems or your family problems, I have my own family and my own problems.

Am I asking too much?

[adrianh]

Nah, I'm not rubbing your face in anything, we've all had our ups and downs.

[Blurock]

Maybe we should see it from a labourer's perspective.

"Because I do not have any skills to sell, I have to sit at the roadside and wait for someone to stop and offer me a gardener or labourer's job for the day. There are at least 20 other guys sitting around on this spot, so the fastest one to the vehicle is likely to get the job.

Only about 8-10 of us gets picked up every day. We never know before the time where we are going or what type of work we will be doing. We don't know the guy's name or how much we will be paid and sometimes we do not get paid at all. There is no UIF and forget about labour laws or safety regulations.

I have decided to register with a reputable labour broker. He calls me or SMS's me when there is a job available. He tells me beforehand how much I will earn and what the duration of the contract will be. He deducts UIF and has to adhere to all the labour regulations or lose his licence. I know that I will be kept on if I do a good job, because the labour broker loses his reputation and money if he has to replace me because of laziness or incompetence."

I am of the opinion that labour broking is not ideal, but this story should speak for itself.

[MGM]

Demogracy, what democracy? We live in Africa, and the populist will rule. Irrespectable of alternative views.

Democracy will not work in Africa for the foreseeable future. The reason, you need educated and responsible people to be able to do this. You also need a society that accommodates alternative viewpoints. Uneducated people will always be taken for suckers by the few connected elite. This is a fact, and will remain so. Lead SA's slogan "Know your rights, but also your responsibilities" is slowly starting to make a difference. But this is still going to take many years, unfortunately.