Join me in saluting the Goffal Committee of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

**HR Solutions** · 21-Nov-16, 09:36 AM

I think we have become supersensitive ....... those (myself included) who tries to avoid race issues and hates it when someone starts "stirring" the pot or causing plain kak by creating a racial issue when sometimes there is not ! Yes we should be able to talk and joke about certain things. My son is at Wits at the mo and has seen the crap that has gone on their and tells us that half of the "protestors" are not actual protesters but those that are causing crap for the sake of it and join the protesters gravy train. Yes we all know this but that is why the rest of us sometimes becomes oversensitive and tries to avoid things like that at all cost and conversations especially on the internet. This was my initial thinking of this post. SA has become a ticking time bomb - it is as if people are just waiting for the opportunity to call the race card. Why can we not just live in harmony together. It is clear that this will never happen throughout the world.

**ChrisNG53** · 21-Nov-16, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by HR Solutions

I think we have become supersensitive ....... those (myself included) who tries to avoid race issues and hates it when someone starts "stirring" the pot or causing plain kak by creating a racial issue when sometimes there is not ! Yes we should be able to talk and joke about certain things. My son is at Wits at the mo and has seen the crap that has gone on their and tells us that half of the "protestors" are not actual protesters but those that are causing crap for the sake of it and join the protesters gravy train. Yes we all know this but that is why the rest of us sometimes becomes oversensitive and tries to avoid things like that at all cost and conversations especially on the internet. This was my initial thinking of this post. SA has become a ticking time bomb - it is as if people are just waiting for the opportunity to call the race card. Why can we not just live in harmony together. It is clear that this will never happen throughout the world.

It is a simple matter of choice.
The mature open mind has no difficulty in appreciating realities and abstracting that which is good and discarding that which is bad.
Just about everything is made up of good, bad and ugly.
Just take your pick.

**ChrisNG53** · 02-Jul-17, 11:07 AM

So much time has passed since I first put this up.
During that time the Monte Python type wisdom of the group I adverted to has been more than vindicated, in terms of the surreal state that the USA now finds itself in, being ruled by a leader whose blindingly clear chief attributes are bullcrap and buffoonery.

**vieome** · 08-Oct-19, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by ChrisNG53

So much time has passed since I first put this up.
During that time the Monte Python type wisdom of the group I adverted to has been more than vindicated, in terms of the surreal state that the USA now finds itself in, being ruled by a leader whose blindingly clear chief attributes are bullcrap and buffoonery.

Judge

Firstly, I get the point you are trying to make. But there are many factors that are vague. I have noticed that on the one hand you have a vested interest in your attempts to provoke white guilt. I am betting someone like Cooler would say "Sh*t happens." One of the problems you miss, is that although one could argue that there is such a thing as Goffal pride, there are many bad elements connected to the term Goffal and many elements of Goffal people that are bad.

I would prefer if you looked at the idea, of what it meant to be a goffal, in which a whole sub culture of people, mixed from all nations of the world bonded into one. We had white goffals, black goffals, chinese goffals, indians goffals etc. As Goffals we are nothing more than a footnote in the history of mankind. Yes there is the brown valvet awards and that, but just like we were formed out of British white guilt, we have melted away and blended into what ever exile country we have chosen.

I have written a book about Goffal life, but do any of these people from the community you want me to salute support. NO they dont because that is part of the Goffal nature.

Amazon.co.uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1079902937

So I will not join you in saluting them. Ha Sut, goffals are not what they used to be, let me be the one to tune you, if you want elucidate mensir about Goffals, take your story to the Queen, ask Her about the Great British Betrayal of the Goffals, that were left to suffer after Lanchester agreement. Why are they not entitled to British rights, like the white colonizers were.

You bring your message to the ForumSA, and to the Rhodesian forum, why not go to the source directly. Ask the bloody Queen to Salute the Goffals.

**ChrisNG53** · 09-Oct-19, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by HR Solutions

Ok I understand where you are coming from now Chris ...... Are you the retired judge that was on our television recently ?

Yes.

**ChrisNG53** · 09-Oct-19, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by vieome

Judge

Firstly, I get the point you are trying to make. But there are many factors that are vague. I have noticed that on the one hand you have a vested interest in your attempts to provoke white guilt. I am betting someone like Cooler would say "Sh*t happens." One of the problems you miss, is that although one could argue that there is such a thing as Goffal pride, there are many bad elements connected to the term Goffal and many elements of Goffal people that are bad.

I would prefer if you looked at the idea, of what it meant to be a goffal, in which a whole sub culture of people, mixed from all nations of the world bonded into one. We had white goffals, black goffals, chinese goffals, indians goffals etc. As Goffals we are nothing more than a footnote in the history of mankind. Yes there is the brown valvet awards and that, but just like we were formed out of British white guilt, we have melted away and blended into what ever exile country we have chosen.

I have written a book about Goffal life, but do any of these people from the community you want me to salute support. NO they dont because that is part of the Goffal nature.

Amazon.co.uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1079902937

So I will not join you in saluting them. Ha Sut, goffals are not what they used to be, let me be the one to tune you, if you want elucidate mensir about Goffals, take your story to the Queen, ask Her about the Great British Betrayal of the Goffals, that were left to suffer after Lanchester agreement. Why are they not entitled to British rights, like the white colonizers were.

You bring your message to the ForumSA, and to the Rhodesian forum, why not go to the source directly. Ask the bloody Queen to Salute the Goffals.

I am glad you say that you "get the point I am trying to make".

Just to remind everyone, it was that this band of irreverent, rebellious, pot-smoking sub-culture leaders have been proved 100% right that bullshit baffles brains..
We see it being played out right now in the "Great US of A" and in "Great Britain".

Daily the world is treated to supposedly intelligent upstanding members of the leadership class facing the cameras and brazenly ... shamefacedly ... unashamedly ... lying through the teeth ...
AND ... AND ... AND ... millions of people swallowing this OBVIOUS BULLCRAP hook line and sinker ... including other supposedly intelligent upstanding members of society
That is the point.!!!!

No need to carp about it ... grumble about it ... intellectualise it ... grumble about it ...

Veritas simplex oratio est.

**vieome** · 09-Oct-19, 09:05 AM

Trust me! I am just as Goffal as the next Ouen. My point is that no one on this forum really cares about stuff like this. This is the stuff you should be preaching to Goffals, so that they can reflect on their past and find a way forward.

When it comes to Mass control, and Manufacturing consent, many Goffals will never be able to tell the difference between bullshit that baffles and bullshit of the van der merwe variety. It is the nature of power to corrupt men who come into contact with it , and hence they con through their teeth to hold on to it. Many on the fringe such as the Goffals were, get to see a different truth. But now the network connects us all, and just like computers minds can be hacked.

Like you say 'Lets us have the conversation ' . If I blindly accept the fact that this sub culture discovered that bullshit baffles brains, and should be saluted, is that not the same as accepting, the blinds truths that these so called leaders are peddling. Growing up in the poorest goffal neighbor hood, and being from the poorest family in the that neighbor hood, I have developed my own truths about our community leaders. The thing with truth I find, is that most people will only accept a truth they already agree with. The brain suffers from a confirmation bias. It is only when we challenge our own bias that we can temet nosce.

So here I will introduce you to my second book https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1071472879, but I know you wont score the item.

**ChrisNG53** · 10-Oct-19, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by vieome

Judge

Firstly, I get the point you are trying to make. But there are many factors that are vague. I have noticed that on the one hand you have a vested interest in your attempts to provoke white guilt. I am betting someone like Cooler would say "Sh*t happens." One of the problems you miss, is that although one could argue that there is such a thing as Goffal pride, there are many bad elements connected to the term Goffal and many elements of Goffal people that are bad.

I would prefer if you looked at the idea, of what it meant to be a goffal, in which a whole sub culture of people, mixed from all nations of the world bonded into one. We had white goffals, black goffals, chinese goffals, indians goffals etc. As Goffals we are nothing more than a footnote in the history of mankind. Yes there is the brown valvet awards and that, but just like we were formed out of British white guilt, we have melted away and blended into what ever exile country we have chosen.

I have written a book about Goffal life, but do any of these people from the community you want me to salute support. NO they dont because that is part of the Goffal nature.

Amazon.co.uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1079902937

So I will not join you in saluting them. Ha Sut, goffals are not what they used to be, let me be the one to tune you, if you want elucidate mensir about Goffals, take your story to the Queen, ask Her about the Great British Betrayal of the Goffals, that were left to suffer after Lanchester agreement. Why are they not entitled to British rights, like the white colonizers were.

You bring your message to the ForumSA, and to the Rhodesian forum, why not go to the source directly. Ask the bloody Queen to Salute the Goffals.

I don't know what you mean that I have "vested interest" about White guilt".
Right there you betray an inability to simply understand, accept and relate to what is no more, no less, a take on a particular group of humans that existed, behaved and believed in their unique way.

Their central stance that "bullshit baffles brains" had no colour-coding. They accurately predicted what would happen under Robert Mugabe & Co and described Bernard Chidzero, our new Finance Minister who spoke better English than most Englishmen, as having "swallowed a dictionary through his a*se" and doomed to fail. And they were right. Our financial state did get worse.

it matters not what you may think of the label "Goffal". Our community adopted it and it is a label we wear with pride. People have a need to take pride in themselves ... not to please other people. It was part of setting our own unique culture that became world renowned as evidenced by this anecdote.
I walked into an electronics shop in Tottenham Court Road and, in our accent, intonation and style said to the owner -"I want the best ... I want it now ... and I want it for nothing"
He immediately beamed all over, gave me a hug and said - "You must be a Goffal from Zimbabwe".
So he was able to recognise what a unique grouping I was from even though he was dealing with people from all over the world.

So you need to cut out the carping and hangups you have about those who are different and accept difference in human beings ... and give credit where credit is due.
OK??

**vieome** · 10-Oct-19, 08:05 AM

I am GOFFAL, I am from Zim. Bullshit does baffle, but brilliance can dazzle.
I am suggesting that you as a community leader, and being someone of high status in our community, who is connected to people in high places, should be using your energy in a different direction. Perhaps leading a battle for compensation for Goffals from the United Kingdom. Take a visit to Arcadia, Sunningdale, Groove, BG, etc and see the squalor that people are living in. The blacks have spare houses we dont even have spare keys for our house. By bringing the Goffals together into a brotherhood, then they will get the credit that is due.

The Goffal Speaks: Coloured Ideology and the Perpetuation of a Category in Postcolonial Zimbabwe

https://academiccommons.columbia.edu/doi/10.7916/D8T72QNV

Significant changes for the Coloured community have occurred and continue to occur as a result of an ever-changing political landscape in Zimbabwe. These changes reveal a group consciousness or ideology that often translates into daily practices of methods of inclusion and exclusion based on ethnic affiliation and racial organization. Many Coloureds have historically denied the reality of the boundaries that have separated them from whites or Europeans, and more recently, have reinforced the boundaries that have separated them from black Africans. Zimbabwe at Independence was the poster child for progress and change on the African continent. It was a place where, "the wrongs of the past [would] stand forgiven and forgotten... [and] oppression and racism were inequalities that [would] never find scope in the political and social system." Yet thirty years later, amid growing disillusionment over promises of a unified Zimbabwe, a destitute economy, and the perpetuation of racial inequality and oppression, there is an effort among Coloureds themselves to reify the Coloured category. The categorization of people tends to develop in the course of specific histories of particular places. Local nuances color this. In Southern Africa, following the victory of the South African National Party (NP) in 1948, the term "community" was used as a euphemism for racial exclusion. Official categories that were clearly racial were commonly designated "communities": the Indian community, the Coloured community, the white community, and the black community. The NP relied heavily on the idea on distinct peoples bound together by blood and culture and in this context the language of community slid easily into a rhetoric justifying separate development for separate communities (Crehan, 2002). In the anti-apartheid era, opposition to the State often assumed the form of struggles fought out in the name of a particular community. It is here yet again, in the postcolonial context that we witness Coloured struggles around notions of belonging, nationality and citizenship. Why and how have Coloureds or mixed race people in Zimbabwe sought to reclaim, or perpetuate their historic place (category) within the colonial racial hierarchy postcolonially in an ever-changing political landscape? This dissertation examines the ideology of Coloured peoples and the perpetuation and maintenance of the category Coloured in post-colonial Zimbabwe. The framework used here is from a socio-historical perspective, considering the political history of colonial settler policy in Zimbabwe, its subsequent racial ideology, and its effects on the social reality of the Coloured or mixed race population today. Here the conceptualization of race is restricted to settler societies and is not meant to be addressed on a global scale, as the term Coloured in this sense is in and of itself a Southern African phenomenon. This study relies on ethnographic data collected intermittently for approximately twenty-two months between May 2004 and May 2008 in the Matabeleland region of Zimbabwe, in particular, in the city of Bulawayo. Additional ethnographic data was also collected in Cape Town, South Africa in the winter of 2009. Several methods were used in collecting data for this project: household surveys, genealogies, semi-structured and unstructured interviews, participant observation and snowball methodology. This study reveals the historical fluctuations in the meaning of the Coloured category and its overall genealogy to demonstrate that race was a paramount paradigm of identity in Rhodesia and despite changes in heads of state, ideologies, social practices and meanings that define identity, it continues to remain paramount in Zimbabwe today. Further, I argue that Coloureds themselves are major perpetuators of racial difference in the post-colonial context and value Coloured identity above either a national Zimbabwean identity or a continental African identity. The reason for this is that Coloureds hold on to the ideological value of their legal and social status of the past. By examining the Coloured experience within race and space in Bulawayo, this dissertation demonstrates how Coloureds maintain and enforce the familiar boundaries of their community in the post-colonial context via residential, social and cultural enclaves. Given the struggle for "place" in terms of nationalism--socially and economically in post-colonial Zimbabwe-- that is revealed through a study of popular discourse on race and political change in Zimbabwe, one questions whether Coloureds could ever or would ever want to become African.

I am black and I am white, and very proud of that. I embrace my black side, I embrace my white side, and I embrace my Goffal side, thus I am suggesting a better way to promote the idea you have, that is with spreading(TED), is to approach it from a different front.

Perhaps another book of mine can explain it further https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1086154398. I am not against your idea, or in disagreement with you, I simply pointing it out that there is a better way to spread your idea.

I know our history, we cant change history, but we can change the present. Before facebook we had Goffal.com and Foggal raps, I created Foggals Raps for the community. My internet time is very limited so I will end here and simply say.

have a nice day!

**ChrisNG53** · 11-Oct-19, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by vieome

I am GOFFAL, I am from Zim. Bullshit does baffle, but brilliance can dazzle.
I am suggesting that you as a community leader, and being someone of high status in our community, who is connected to people in high places, should be using your energy in a different direction. Perhaps leading a battle for compensation for Goffals from the United Kingdom. Take a visit to Arcadia, Sunningdale, Groove, BG, etc and see the squalor that people are living in. The blacks have spare houses we dont even have spare keys for our house. By bringing the Goffals together into a brotherhood, then they will get the credit that is due.

The Goffal Speaks: Coloured Ideology and the Perpetuation of a Category in Postcolonial Zimbabwe

https://academiccommons.columbia.edu/doi/10.7916/D8T72QNV

Significant changes for the Coloured community have occurred and continue to occur as a result of an ever-changing political landscape in Zimbabwe. These changes reveal a group consciousness or ideology that often translates into daily practices of methods of inclusion and exclusion based on ethnic affiliation and racial organization. Many Coloureds have historically denied the reality of the boundaries that have separated them from whites or Europeans, and more recently, have reinforced the boundaries that have separated them from black Africans. Zimbabwe at Independence was the poster child for progress and change on the African continent. It was a place where, "the wrongs of the past [would] stand forgiven and forgotten... [and] oppression and racism were inequalities that [would] never find scope in the political and social system." Yet thirty years later, amid growing disillusionment over promises of a unified Zimbabwe, a destitute economy, and the perpetuation of racial inequality and oppression, there is an effort among Coloureds themselves to reify the Coloured category. The categorization of people tends to develop in the course of specific histories of particular places. Local nuances color this. In Southern Africa, following the victory of the South African National Party (NP) in 1948, the term "community" was used as a euphemism for racial exclusion. Official categories that were clearly racial were commonly designated "communities": the Indian community, the Coloured community, the white community, and the black community. The NP relied heavily on the idea on distinct peoples bound together by blood and culture and in this context the language of community slid easily into a rhetoric justifying separate development for separate communities (Crehan, 2002). In the anti-apartheid era, opposition to the State often assumed the form of struggles fought out in the name of a particular community. It is here yet again, in the postcolonial context that we witness Coloured struggles around notions of belonging, nationality and citizenship. Why and how have Coloureds or mixed race people in Zimbabwe sought to reclaim, or perpetuate their historic place (category) within the colonial racial hierarchy postcolonially in an ever-changing political landscape? This dissertation examines the ideology of Coloured peoples and the perpetuation and maintenance of the category Coloured in post-colonial Zimbabwe. The framework used here is from a socio-historical perspective, considering the political history of colonial settler policy in Zimbabwe, its subsequent racial ideology, and its effects on the social reality of the Coloured or mixed race population today. Here the conceptualization of race is restricted to settler societies and is not meant to be addressed on a global scale, as the term Coloured in this sense is in and of itself a Southern African phenomenon. This study relies on ethnographic data collected intermittently for approximately twenty-two months between May 2004 and May 2008 in the Matabeleland region of Zimbabwe, in particular, in the city of Bulawayo. Additional ethnographic data was also collected in Cape Town, South Africa in the winter of 2009. Several methods were used in collecting data for this project: household surveys, genealogies, semi-structured and unstructured interviews, participant observation and snowball methodology. This study reveals the historical fluctuations in the meaning of the Coloured category and its overall genealogy to demonstrate that race was a paramount paradigm of identity in Rhodesia and despite changes in heads of state, ideologies, social practices and meanings that define identity, it continues to remain paramount in Zimbabwe today. Further, I argue that Coloureds themselves are major perpetuators of racial difference in the post-colonial context and value Coloured identity above either a national Zimbabwean identity or a continental African identity. The reason for this is that Coloureds hold on to the ideological value of their legal and social status of the past. By examining the Coloured experience within race and space in Bulawayo, this dissertation demonstrates how Coloureds maintain and enforce the familiar boundaries of their community in the post-colonial context via residential, social and cultural enclaves. Given the struggle for "place" in terms of nationalism--socially and economically in post-colonial Zimbabwe-- that is revealed through a study of popular discourse on race and political change in Zimbabwe, one questions whether Coloureds could ever or would ever want to become African.

I am black and I am white, and very proud of that. I embrace my black side, I embrace my white side, and I embrace my Goffal side, thus I am suggesting a better way to promote the idea you have, that is with spreading(TED), is to approach it from a different front.

Perhaps another book of mine can explain it further https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1086154398. I am not against your idea, or in disagreement with you, I simply pointing it out that there is a better way to spread your idea.

I know our history, we cant change history, but we can change the present. Before facebook we had Goffal.com and Foggal raps, I created Foggals Raps for the community. My internet time is very limited so I will end here and simply say.

have a nice day!

Sigh.
Daily I take a stance on issues of social justice across this planet.
Have been doing this since 2009 on social media and my blog post.
Mine is a small voice for truth, reason and justice.
It is being heard as I have the maximum of 5,000 followers on Facebook, with a waiting list of over 1,000 friend requests.
So it is quite unnecessary to start lecturing me on how and what I should be doing.

I repeat.
This is a story of interest ... a human interest story ... no more, no less.
It is told in order to contribute to the mosaic that is humanity.
It is quite remarkable in its own right.

It is of primary interest to me because truth has been at the center of my life as a Courtroom practitioner of some note.
We Courtroom practitioners tend to lead society in condemning these people and their subcultures.
However we profess to being committed to the "whole truth".
This is simply part of that whole truth.

So PLEASE cut out the pontificating and just appreciate that people are different ... and there is often goodness in those differences.
OK???

PS: The post received/enjoyed HUGE acclaim on social media.

**vieome** · 11-Oct-19, 10:44 AM

Truth! I agree

Originally posted by ChrisNG53

I repeat.
This is a story of interest ... a human interest story ... no more, no less.
It is told in order to contribute to the mosaic that is humanity.
It is quite remarkable in its own right.

My Point!
1. We on the same side.
2. 02-Jul-17, 11:07 AM this thread ended.
3. 08-Oct-19, 11:38 AM I revived the thread to bring attention back to your original words.
4. I respond with a some what opposing view to hold attention.
5. I agree “bullshit baffles brains”
6. I add to your story with links showing more of the story of you are telling.
7. I say 'It is an honor(your) to connect with you!'
8. I return to point 5 and ask why “bullshit baffles brains”
9. Lastly I suggest using the knowledge of point 8 to show that if the story, was package in a box called "compensation for Goffals" it will reach a much wider audience.

Just as I have come to appreciate your understanding and application of Law and your status in that arena.

Allow me to introduce myself to you. I guess you could call me something of a network and technology mach(my barley was a motor mach), a social media analyst, with an understanding of how attention controls the network. I am not on facebook so I can not send you a friend request.

by vieome
, 24-Aug-12 at 09:27 AM (28267 Views)

So I brought this thread back to life as a Salute to you, because you are apart of that committee that gives us identity.

**vieome** · 11-Oct-19, 10:55 AM

**ChrisNG53** · 12-Oct-19, 08:20 AM

Yes indeed.
I am the Retired Judge who was on the legal panel commentating on the "Oscar Pistorius Trial of The Century".

**ChrisNG53** · 12-Oct-19, 08:22 AM

Well argued Eminent Counsel !!.
Much appreciated.
God bless.

**ChrisNG53** · 12-Oct-19, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by vieome

Truth! I agree

My Point!
1. We on the same side.
2. 02-Jul-17, 11:07 AM this thread ended.
3. 08-Oct-19, 11:38 AM I revived the thread to bring attention back to your original words.
4. I respond with a some what opposing view to hold attention.
5. I agree “bullshit baffles brains”
6. I add to your story with links showing more of the story of you are telling.
7. I say 'It is an honor(your) to connect with you!'
8. I return to point 5 and ask why “bullshit baffles brains”
9. Lastly I suggest using the knowledge of point 8 to show that if the story, was package in a box called "compensation for Goffals" it will reach a much wider audience.

Just as I have come to appreciate your understanding and application of Law and your status in that arena.

Allow me to introduce myself to you. I guess you could call me something of a network and technology mach(my barley was a motor mach), a social media analyst, with an understanding of how attention controls the network. I am not on facebook so I can not send you a friend request.

by vieome
, 24-Aug-12 at 09:27 AM (28267 Views)

So I brought this thread back to life as a Salute to you, because you are apart of that committee that gives us identity.

Well argued Eminent Counsel !!.
Much appreciated.
God bless.

Join me in saluting the Goffal Committee of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

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