Join me in saluting the Goffal Committee of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

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  • ChrisNG53
    Silver Member

    • Dec 2010
    • 233

    #1

    Join me in saluting the Goffal Committee of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

    In Rhodesia Coloured folk included an intriguing sub- group who helped us re-identify ourselves as goffals … Most had nick-names such as “MaBeans, Nags, Zanda, Curry, Kalangas, Zozo, Cooler, Junks, Mabena, Dorlans, Stoory, Porgy, Goomie, Fiego ..... "
    The fact that there were no Coloured policemen, so the good weed was freely available, contributed to the wonderful diversity of our coummunity.
    They were an ad hoc assemblage of free spirited and loquacious social commentators unrelenting in according issues a unique perspective. “Goffal" was a reference to a Coloured person; and "honkie" and "haute" to a White and Black person respectively. It was rare to hear the different race groups referred to in any other way. Whatever their origins such references were not considered or meant to be disparaging. It was just the way it was in the discourse culture of our community.
    Whatever one may have thought about this sub-group, what emanated from within it was often chillingly disconcerting. It is said that "facts are awkward things". The committee would serve up a plethora of awkward things with brutal irreverence.
    Why were White folk busy tanning their bodies to achieve a nice shade of brown, and curling their hair, whilst despising Coloured folk? Conversely why were Black folk lightening their skins, and straightening their hair, whilst mouthing slogans about "black power" and "black is beautiful" and "I am black and I am proud"? One day the whole world would be some shade of brown however much racial prejudice there was. The need for inter-racial sex was just too strong.
    To the members of this committee the world seethed with convenient untruths and suppression of inconvenient truths. "You cannot talk about justice …" they would say, " … when most people in this country simply cannot afford a good lawyer to defend them … justice is only for the rich".
    And so they went on about a range of issues. If the White man had not come to Africa, the mosquitoes, lions, hyenas and crocodiles would have still had the locals in check. Africa had still not even invented the wheel on arrival of the White man. Zimbabwe was doomed even though the Mugabe cabinet had "… more degrees than a thermometer…" The Jews were forever cursed for having killed Jesus. Starting a religion was "the best business" and most were about making money.
    White people had decimated all wild life in their own countries and now wanted to "preach conservation" to Blacks. The United Nations was nothing more than an incredibly expensive club for political leaders to peddle power, assets and influence for themselves with little corresponding love of humanity. It should be called the "Disunited Nations" or "The United Corrupt Leaders".
    I was not spared and routinely castigated for being part of a system that was inherently unjust.
    The list was endless. It was irreverent … it was not politically correct … it was brutally impolite … but mostly it raised terribly awkward questions that were very difficult to answer. Facts are indeed awkward things. The committee was a heaving hive of cynicism and skepticism. The disturbing thing however is that its predictions are being proved right with monotonous regularity.
    Zimbabwe has joined other countries in Africa as a failed state.
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    The United Nations is a spectacular failure in terms of a cost/benefit test. One needs only to point to the continuing instances of genocide that occur, despite pontifical statements mouthed off at the UN and AU, that was laughed off outright as one of the biggest jokes of our times..
    A brown tan and curly hair is … well more desirable then ever … and … by the time Michael Jackson died he had all but rid himself of all his blackness … the list is endless.
    Today I salute them because, at the heart of their stance was their insistence that “bullshit baffles brains”. They insisted that human beings are hotwired to swallow even utter nonsense, hook line and sinker, provided wonderful promises are included.
    Curry and company were the first to teach me to see things for what they actually are .... to think more and believe less.
    Today the supposedly most advanced people on this planet have been taken in by a narcissistic buffoon who has baffled them with his fancifull promises.
    Our goffal committee would have explained that Trump was a "Skate". A skate was a person who diddled others on the strength of "bullshit".
    Today the great USA has fully confirmed that they were 100% right.
    I am predicting that only the scrapping of ObamaCare will be fulfilled of all Trump’s bullcrap promises.
    PS: Wow ... Trump has already started retracting his loud promises about scrapping ObamaCare.
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  • Blurock
    Diamond Member

    • May 2010
    • 4203

    #2
    I sense some tongue-in-cheek banter here.

    I've known the word Goffal or Goffel since my youth, but have refrained from using it as I have perceived it as being offensive. I've also heard people from Indian descent call each other Charro's.

    What is the the meaning of these words and where did it originate? Is it not offensive?
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    • HR Solutions
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      • Mar 2013
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      #3
      It's a derogatory word and doesn't deserve a read or a reply !!!!

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      • Blurock
        Diamond Member

        • May 2010
        • 4203

        #4
        Originally posted by HR Solutions
        It's a derogatory word and doesn't deserve a read or a reply !!!!
        My view too. That's why I am asking.
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        • ChrisNG53
          Silver Member

          • Dec 2010
          • 233

          #5
          "Goffal" is a term imported by Rhodesian Coloureds from South Africa to reference ourselves as being distinct, politically incorrect, rebellious but still relevant. Humans will often adopt symbols and language around which they will stage and rally.
          "Goffal" is considered highly offensive by South African Coloureds.
          Let us have the conversation!
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          • ChrisNG53
            Silver Member

            • Dec 2010
            • 233

            #6
            Does this TRUE article about these humans have NO relevance or interest????
            Is the fact that they have been proved right quite spectacularly NOT of any significance??
            Let us have the conversation!
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            • Dave A
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              • May 2006
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              #7
              Taking Chris's questions one step further -
              Are South Africans too easily offended?
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              • HR Solutions
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                • Mar 2013
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                #8
                Of course SA's are easily offended but considering the world that we live in and considering that certain things offend people then why go back 40 years and still call them that ! I think it is dumb and shows a lack of ignorance and is plain shit stirring !

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                • ChrisNG53
                  Silver Member

                  • Dec 2010
                  • 233

                  #9
                  It is so difficult to understand how this true post can be "offensive".
                  It happened.
                  It was the reality.
                  This lot contributed their brand of social discourse and thinking to the prevailing culture.
                  They had an "irreverent" stance about all race/ethnic groups,governments and entities such as the United Nations and the African Union.
                  So they comprise a small but "real" piece of the fabric that made up Rhodesian society.
                  This article has been posted to 21 social media sites.
                  It has received acclaim and appreciation from hundreds, if not thousands ... because it is deemed as informative, intriguing, surprising, entertaining, .....
                  Why anybody should feel offended at being told about the historical conduct of a very small group of humans is truly bemusing. No one has been offended to date.
                  Why it should be considered "stirring"to reveal another aspect of Rhodesian history is confusing.
                  From my perceptive I am REALLY intrigued at how right they have been proved over and over again ... and especially now as regards the the USA elections that indeed "bullshit baffles brains" .... lol .. lol .. lol ..
                  It should also be noted that as we did not have any Coloured policemen in our community we were free to partake of the good weed,of which Malawi Gold was the favorite of this grouping ... lol ..
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                  • HR Solutions
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                    • Mar 2013
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                    #10
                    Ok I understand where you are coming from now Chris ...... Are you the retired judge that was on our television recently ?

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                    • Blurock
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                      • May 2010
                      • 4203

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Dave A
                      Taking Chris's questions one step further -
                      Are South Africans too easily offended?
                      Very often people will unnecessarily make an issue of a small thing just to "prove a point" or to get back at another race group, language group, religious group or whatever. What we have to bear in mind is that it's not really words that hurt, but attitudes. That is why black Americans can call each other "niggers" at times, but when a police officer uses that term, it is offensive. It is because it implicates that the officer is superior to the black guy.

                      Our history is one of turmoil and war, of victor and conquered, of slaves and masters. Even today you get white Afrikaners who resent the British because of the atrocities (read war crimes) of the Boer war. The black tribes conquered by the Brits and the Boers may feel the same resentment. Descendants of the slaves in the Cape Colony do not want to be reminded of their forefathers' suffering. Therefore any derogatory word that may suggest that a person is of a lower class or lesser breed will be seen as offensive.

                      It is therefore essential that we learn more about our different cultures and start respecting each other as people. Treating people with respect breeds mutual trust on which a future can be built. We need to plant the seeds now for our future generations to live prosperous and peaceful lives in this beautiful country.

                      Not all South Africans have had the same opportunities with regard to education or training, however our resilience has seen many South African sons and daughters rise above poverty and prejudice to become respected entrepreneurs and leaders not only in their communities, but also on the world stage. Let's aspire to rise with them and refrain from pulling each other down instead.
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                      • AndyD
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                        • Jan 2010
                        • 4946

                        #12
                        Not having had the benefit of being raised in SA (I arrived here when I was in my 30's) the words such as 'goffel' or 'haut' probably don't have the same impact on me as other readers, obviously I'm aware of their meanings and even some of their undertones but to me their almost foreign words and they don't invoke any particular emotion.

                        Even reading it through more cynical eyes I wouldn't take away any malice or racist undertones from the post, quite the opposite in fact, Chris obviously has a place in his heart for this group of people.

                        When I first read the opening post the thing that struck me first was a certain unease at the glorification and almost delight that was implied at the way a group of grown people who viewed the world through narrow blinkers of inexperience and possibly lack of education asked the types of questions (and in such away) that young children might ask. It reminded me of the way parents glorify or take great delight in their children to other parents/adults when they ask awkward questions that are difficult to answer because of the childs limited base of knowledge on which you could pitch a useful answer. I guess in short I worried it was patronising.
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                        • ChrisNG53
                          Silver Member

                          • Dec 2010
                          • 233

                          #13
                          Originally posted by HR Solutions
                          Ok I understand where you are coming from now Chris ...... Are you the retired judge that was on our television recently ?
                          Yes … and as such I have a love of the “whole truth”, including the whole truth about the rich diversity of this region.
                          As a Coloured person this sub-group occupy a special place in my heart and I imagined that their existence would be of interest to members as one more panel in the mosaic making up the humans in this region.
                          I also imagined that members would be intrigued at how spectacularly right they have been proved by the supposedly most advanced people on this planet in their insistence that “bullsh*t baffles brains”.
                          Why anybody feels offended by this baffles me to the nth degree.
                          Let us have the conversation!
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                          • ChrisNG53
                            Silver Member

                            • Dec 2010
                            • 233

                            #14
                            Originally posted by AndyD
                            Not having had the benefit of being raised in SA (I arrived here when I was in my 30's) the words such as 'goffel' or 'haut' probably don't have the same impact on me as other readers, obviously I'm aware of their meanings and even some of their undertones but to me their almost foreign words and they don't invoke any particular emotion.

                            Even reading it through more cynical eyes I wouldn't take away any malice or racist undertones from the post, quite the opposite in fact, Chris obviously has a place in his heart for this group of people.

                            When I first read the opening post the thing that struck me first was a certain unease at the glorification and almost delight that was implied at the way a group of grown people who viewed the world through narrow blinkers of inexperience and possibly lack of education asked the types of questions (and in such away) that young children might ask. It reminded me of the way parents glorify or take great delight in their children to other parents/adults when they ask awkward questions that are difficult to answer because of the childs limited base of knowledge on which you could pitch a useful answer. I guess in short I worried it was patronising.
                            Lol... There is actually no need to try an "over- intellectualize" simple anecdotal recounting of human experience. Just accept what you are reading and resist imputing imagined motives. The article provides the motive ... i.e, it is intended to inform. amuse, bemuse, intrigue .... as ALL stories about humans are intended to do.
                            Last edited by ChrisNG53; 19-Nov-16, 01:18 PM.
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                            • ChrisNG53
                              Silver Member

                              • Dec 2010
                              • 233

                              #15
                              As to their sense of humour there is the following exchange –

                              Me: You know there was this inquest to-day at the court
                              Curry: Ya, ou Vavie, tell us who frekked [died] (Vavie is me)
                              Me: This guy had crabs ... you know ... pubic lice
                              Nags: Naa, crabs don't kill man ... they just tickle ... and itch like mad
                              Me: He tried to get rid of the crabs ... with paraffin and stuff ... when that failed he finally rubbed Rogor CE [garden pesticide] onto his testicles ... he was dead in 2 hours
                              Cooler: Wow ... doed [dead] in 2 hours ... because of Rogor ... that's heavy man
                              Me: You see Rogor is an organophosphorus poison, [I add sapientially] it is absorbed through the skin into the blood stream. So when it got to his kidneys and liver - that was it - in just 2 hours …
                              Mabeans: The haute was dwaarse [slow witted] ... if he was a goffal he would have soaked his balls in brandy ... so the crabs could have had a lekker party.
                              Then, when they were high on dop, he would have added river sand ... and the crabs would then have all stoned each other to death ... problem solved [he finishes with a flourish amidst peals of laughter].
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