Scotland - Australia game - ref

[HR Solutions]

There has been quite an uproar about the ref in the game. I know the rules and the laws quite well in rugby i.e. when to call on the TMO and when a ref can't call on the TMO. But the Scottish seem to be quite upset with the penalty given to Australia in the dying seconds of the game. I was also rooting for Scotland to beat Australia and was sorry that they had given a penalty away. BUT why are the Scottish so upset - I can't see what Joubert did wrong - Can anyone fill me in ?

[Phil Cooper]

I don't think he did ANYTHING wrong - I think some of the Scots did not understand/know the rules...

[HR Solutions]

I don't think he did ANYTHING wrong - I think some of the Scots did not understand/know the rules...

Yep thats what Im thinking. The only thing perhaps that he should have done is asked the TMO as well.

[tec0]

normally a penalty of that nature in the last minutes of the game "game changer" should have gone to the TMO... There where factors at play and my bet is the ref didn't see half of it because it was "split second" But his ego got the better of him, and now history will remember him with mix feelings.

What worries me is after the Final there will be a review of the rules, then they will probably remove more power from the refs... And it will eventually kill the game. Corruption killed cricket for me, $h!tty ref work will ultimately kill rugby. Nobody wants to watch an unfair game, and nobody wants to watch a game whistled to death... There is a fine line and they just crapped on it.

There is a balance between technology and proper ref work... If the ref cannot ask for aid because of his ego, then he doesn't belong in the game. Same is true with technology, they cannot expect the ref to be 100% all the time BUT there are cases "like this one" where TMO was the right call and it wasn't made.

Now i have to go figure you what the hell bowling is...

Or Woman's hockey

[HR Solutions]

It's got nothing to do with ego....

[Blurock]

I would have loved for Scotland to win. Unfortunately all 50/50 calls seems to go to our arch rivals.

According to the (flawed) rules, a referee can only refer foul play or doubt in awarding a try to the TMO. Craig is not one of my favourite refs, but in this case, we have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

It is time that the rugby bosses apply technology in such high ranking games. Mistakes can still be tolerated in other matches, but not in the world cup.

[HR Solutions]

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/WorldCup/World-Rugby-confirm-Joubert-was-wrong-20151019

So it looks like Joubert was wrong - it should have been a scrum. Seems like he didn't see the Australian touch the ball. And the laws did not allow him to check the TMO. So you call it as you see it and unfortunately he didn't see the touch.

[CLIVE-TRIANGLE]

My favourite

[HR Solutions]

lol ........

[Justloadit]

After having watch the sequence from all angles, a number of times, the decision was made.
Craig had one split second to see the actual event and make a decision.When I saw it the first time, from my couch in front of my HD TV, it looked precisely as Craig had call it. I had to look at the sequence a good number of times to see that the ball did touch the Aussie, but I must mention, you almost have to slow the sequence down to a crawl to pick it up.

To me the Scotts are the one to blame - Why the hell to you throw the ball to the back of the line out in the last minute of the game, when it is raining, the ball is slippery and what you want to do is, run the clock down and end the game? He should have rather thrown it to the front player, as a sure ball.

[tec0]

i don't know...

This is what i do know results for "foul play"
You be the judge...

Now to clarify about my statement about EGO...

At the final whistle, Joubert ran for the tunnel without shaking hands with the players, which former Scotland full-back Gavin Hastings said was "the worst thing I have seen on a rugby field in a very long time".

source

It was just bad form... i happen to call it bad ego point is why did he do what he did, did he have to go to the toilet did he have something better to do??? Nah... in my eyes "Bad ego"

***edit***

or what we will call "n snot houding"

[BusFact]

This blaming Joubert for the result is absolute nonsense. I would have loved the Scots to win but ....

- Their Captain is piss poor sportsman who can only focus on a couple of seconds out of an 80 min game, and bemoans the fact that the ref did not call for the TMO when it was not even an option to him.
- They are blaming Joubert for a split second decision in the pouring rain, which for most of us requires multiple slow motion replays to verify what actually happened. It was not an easy decision.
- They lose a game 3-5 in tries and are on the wrong side of possession and territorial statistics, but blame a single decision for their loss!
- They don't take responsibility for their numerous mistakes during the game: Who knocked the ball on in the first place? Who threw to the back of the line out in rainy conditions? Who missed tackles that resulted in tries? Who was out of position so that 5 tries bled through? Who missed kicks at poles? Who made bad decisions which led to moves breaking down?

So Hastings and his fellow Scots must wind their necks in. I am sorry you lost in such dramatic fashion, and it would have been fairy tale stuff for you guys to go through, but to blame it on a difficult call in the last minute is absolute nonsense.

The fact that Joubert ran off afterwards is a non-issue. If the reaction of Hastings and Co is anything to go by, then perhaps running off was the prudent action to take. The anger and dismay was evident from the Scots. Now he must stand there and be abused by 23+ players while they pretend to shake hands gracefully. Absolute bull. That can't be part of the job description.

Why referees even bother to help those 30 or so whingers out every week, I have no idea. I'm glad they do though, but don't ask me to do so.

[HR Solutions]

Im with you Busfact .... I also wouldn't stand around to be abused, especially knowing they are pissed off with him. Justload you are totally correct - you need superhuman powers to have seen that touch of the ball in the moment of action.

[tec0]

The fact that Joubert ran off afterwards is a non-issue.

i agree with you on every aspect accept this one little detail. i don't know... what i do know is you stand your ground. Good sportsmanship dictate that you accept a win and you accept the loss. shake hands and call it a day.

I don't think he was in any danger. As you say they made mistakes that cost them the game. Last minute choice or not.

But for a ref not to stand ground and offer a simple handshake is simply unacceptable. No one will dare challenge a ref physically because they can be disqualified and even banned from the game. The players will NEVER risk that.

in my opinion only, he should have offered simple respect to both the winning team and losing team. That to me made him a poor ref... i personally cannot see any really bad ref work accept if you want to nitpick at it i guess. But what made him a bad ref and ego heavy was the fact that he ran off.

personally there are a few games left, i am looking forward to it...

[Marq]

I understand that the Scots had it their way, when they played the Samoans.
Two incidents which should have resulted in penalties did not happen.
Subsequent to that game, "Ross Ford and Jonny Gray (Scotland) have each been suspended for three weeks for dangerous tackles contrary to Law 10.4(j)." .
If allowed the Scottish would not have been playing in the quarters and the Japs would have gone through.
Didnt hear any bleating about that...did we?