Logic, math & statistics puzzle...that holds some wonderful lessons!

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  • Christel
    Silver Member

    • Feb 2012
    • 361

    #61
    Yes, you're right, sorry. Was being distracted with the "0" that someone suggested and the negative amounts.... then I thought but what about 1 and 3 and 5...?
    always fear when Christel is near....

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    • Mike C
      Diamond Member

      • Apr 2012
      • 2891

      #62
      Also no one suggested fractions!
      No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. - Aesop "The Lion and the Mouse"

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      • IanF
        Moderator

        • Dec 2007
        • 2680

        #63
        Adrian just needs a series of random numbers for quoting the tirekickers who ask for prices.
        Only stress when you can change the outcome!

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        • Marq
          Platinum Member

          • May 2006
          • 1297

          #64
          Any positive number
          The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity.
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          • Christel
            Silver Member

            • Feb 2012
            • 361

            #65
            Adrian... where are you...? we have 6 possible rules so far... 4 to go.... BUT... can't we adjust "your" rules so that we can get the answer/explanation now... before the weekend starts...
            always fear when Christel is near....

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            • vieome
              Email problem

              • Apr 2012
              • 540

              #66
              Originally posted by adrianh
              1. IanF - 10 - Fits rule.
              2. MikeC - 16 - Fits rule.
              3. IanF - 26 - Fits rule.
              4. Marg- 13 - Fits rule.
              5. Vieome- 99 - Fits rule.
              6. IanF - 17 - Fits rule.
              7. Anthony - 31 - Fits rule.
              8. Vieome- 7 - Fits rule.
              9. MikeC - 8 - Fits rule.
              10. Marg- 0 - Does NOT fit rule.
              11. Christel - 48 Fits rule.
              12. Wynn - 27 Fits rule.
              13. Christel- 12 Fits rule.
              14. HR - 18- Fits rule.
              15. HR - 35- Fits rule.
              16. Vieome- 67 - Fits rule.
              17. HR - 1689- Fits rule.
              18. HR - 1245987 - Fits rule.
              19. HR - 3895621 - Fits rule.
              20. IanF - -3938 - Does NOT fit rule.
              21. Christel- 246 Fits rule.
              All the numbers come after 6

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              • adrianh
                Diamond Member

                • Mar 2010
                • 6328

                #67
                I've had a hell of a couple of days.

                Question
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                I have some numbers 2 4 6 and I would like for you to work out what is the rule for the next numbers.

                Tests
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                1. IanF - 10 - Fits rule.
                2. MikeC - 16 - Fits rule.
                3. IanF - 26 - Fits rule.
                4. Marg- 13 - Fits rule.
                5. Vieome- 99 - Fits rule.
                6. IanF - 17 - Fits rule.
                7. Anthony - 31 - Fits rule.
                8. Vieome- 7 - Fits rule.
                9. MikeC - 8 - Fits rule.
                10. Marg- 0 - Does NOT fit rule.
                11. Christel - 48 Fits rule.
                12. Wynn - 27 Fits rule.
                13. Christel- 12 Fits rule.
                14. HR - 18- Fits rule.
                15. HR - 35- Fits rule.
                16. Vieome- 67 - Fits rule.
                17. HR - 1689- Fits rule.
                18. HR - 1245987 - Fits rule.
                19. HR - 3895621 - Fits rule.
                20. IanF - -3938 - Does NOT fit rule.
                21. Christel- 246 Fits rule.

                Rules
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                1. Christel - The rule is that the numbers chosen by Adrian (2,4,6) was just to get us thinking... but the answer is any number, except for a zero and not a negative number.
                2. HR - Rule is ascending (increasing numbers)
                3. MikeC -One of the rules could be any number greater than 6
                4 - Marq - Any positive number

                Ok, the rule is: Any number after 6.

                Lets look at the tests
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                1. Most people went looking for sequences higher than 6..
                Why did you think that the number should be higher than 6...because the sequenced numbers prompted you to do so.
                If I possed the sequence as 6 4 2 I bet that most people would have looed for number lower than 2.

                2. A lot of tests seemed to be purely random - Why?

                3. Christel was very quick to look at the situation in reverse.
                Most people look for a pattern because we are programmed to do so, very few people start with an infinite date set and then systematically eliminate very large data sets working towards smaller sets.

                4. We assume that the data 2, 4, 6 are related to one another in some way (it could simply have ben 2 eggs, 4 wheel and 6 cigarettes, for no reason at all.

                5. Our pattern recognition software takes precedence and try to project the data forward.
                This has very interesting consequences that marketers use...lets say a TV ad said that a chocolate bar cost R2, 3 years ago, R4 2 years ago and R6 last year. We would have predicted the price to be R8 this year, for no other reason than it following a pattern. He now tells you that the chocolate bar is on special and only costs R7. Many people would see this as a bargain even though he never said that it should cost R8, we simply projected the number.

                6. Making rules based of small data sets is very dangerous. An economist would use a small data set to project forward creating a pattern where there is none.

                7. I think that we have to be very careful of our pattern recognition software because it kicks in automatically and often leads us up the garden path.

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                • Houses4Rent
                  Gold Member

                  • Mar 2014
                  • 803

                  #68
                  We are looking for inteligent rules, any number >6 is not intelligent at all. What has this to do with logic, math etc? Not much in my opinion.
                  Houses4Rent
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                  • adrianh
                    Diamond Member

                    • Mar 2010
                    • 6328

                    #69
                    hmmm....I'll say this much, I will hire Christel in a flash...you, not a chance, your mind is far too narrow!

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                    • Houses4Rent
                      Gold Member

                      • Mar 2014
                      • 803

                      #70
                      I am not for hire.

                      Christel, pick your number and Adrian will hire you for that number.
                      Houses4Rent
                      "We treat your investment as we treat our own"
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                      • adrianh
                        Diamond Member

                        • Mar 2010
                        • 6328

                        #71
                        Didn't you find the exercise interesting at all?

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                        • Houses4Rent
                          Gold Member

                          • Mar 2014
                          • 803

                          #72
                          I did, but the outcome/rule was unchallenging. Was there any reason to insult me (without even knowing me) just because I voiced my opinion?
                          Houses4Rent
                          "We treat your investment as we treat our own"
                          marc@houses4rent.co.za www.houses4rent.co.za
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                          • adrianh
                            Diamond Member

                            • Mar 2010
                            • 6328

                            #73
                            I don't believe that I insulted you, I said that I think that your thinking is narrow-minded, that is not an insult, it is simply my view of how you think. Narrow-mindedness is a function of specialization, you are probably a highly specialized engineer that is extremely good at what you do. I think very broad-mindedly but I am totally non-specialized.

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                            • vieome
                              Email problem

                              • Apr 2012
                              • 540

                              #74
                              Originally posted by vieome
                              All the numbers come after 6
                              I was on the right track.





                              Originally posted by adrianh
                              hmmm....I'll say this much, I will hire Christel in a flash...you, not a chance, your mind is far too narrow!
                              Could such a response be because of the very thing the exercise was pointing out, when peoples thoughts align with our own we are like yes, good thinker, when not, we engage pattern software thinking and label to it.

                              Originally posted by adrianh
                              7. I think that we have to be very careful of our pattern recognition software because it kicks in automatically and often leads us up the garden path.

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                              • Houses4Rent
                                Gold Member

                                • Mar 2014
                                • 803

                                #75
                                Originally posted by adrianh
                                I don't believe that I insulted you, I said that I think that your thinking is narrow-minded, that is not an insult, it is simply my view of how you think. Narrow-mindedness is a function of specialization, you are probably a highly specialized engineer that is extremely good at what you do. I think very broad-mindedly but I am totally non-specialized.
                                Its an insult to me and judging from vioeme's comment s/he agrees to a degree.
                                If I would be a narrow minded specialised engineer I would not have changed my career 180 degrees either. Even my engineering education was very broad based which made me a generalist and I did another degree on top in Supply Chain. As I said you have no clue about me so you cannot judge me the way you did. There was and is no need to judge either.
                                Mayeb you should look at your motto "You cannot depend on your eyes if your imagination is out of focus” and live by it.
                                Houses4Rent
                                "We treat your investment as we treat our own"
                                marc@houses4rent.co.za www.houses4rent.co.za
                                083-3115551
                                Global Residential Property Investor / Specialized Letting Agent & Property Manager

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