Reflections on the big question

[adrianh]

Hey tec0 - please take me to the farmhouse where we get to breathe LSD and dream up $h1t, it will save me from having to go bother my merchant to bring me some tik to get high and hallucinate spaceships, angles and other mindless stuff that we see in SCI FI movies!

[pmbguy]

@tec0 – tell us about the farm house events (Unless further info impedes on your anonymity, of course)

Adrian you reflect that which reason demands. I hope there is something else, but if I had to take a cosmic bet I would bet we are merely a . (by default)

A . in the big of it all. By some happenstance this thread touches on the subject...Immortality. Humans in immortal form will eventually become what we classically define as gods. It is a distinct possibility that we can create worlds...perhaps creating the exact same thing we attribute to something super-human aka God (metaforming plaints etc). Theoretically, given our predisposition towards creating anything we conceive, we can create another realm. As the creator/god of that realm we would be conceived as gods by (far) future generations inhabiting that creation.

Gods have always been conceived as immortal. It is perhaps the greatest distinguishing aspect between man and God. If man becomes immortal then perhaps (through creating words) we become another God. In this I see no issue with accepting a first/true God, since by the virtue of our creation we are made in his image. Imbued with the talent to create conceptions similar to those of God. Of course we may argue that God is still God creating us with unlimited possibilities. I guess even then (when we have built worlds rivalling that of God) there is still space for those who acknowledge him, since, as a matter of acknowledgement see him as creating us – creating worlds.

[adrianh]

Let me tell you about the Gods. It works like this. Let me start from a somewhat odd perspective.

You have a little kid. One day your little kid's friend does something silly in your house and you need to teach them about the ways of the world. You have a choice, you can shit on them outright, you could explain to them on their own terms what they did wrong, or, you could tell them a story. I think you have a daughter; you could quickly think up a story about a prince and a princess and a castle and weave your lesson into the story so that they get to relate to the lesson in a way that they not only understand, but that they can relate to, but most of all, that captures their imaginations.

Now, lets consider what I just explained. A kid goes to his mother and wants to know why his brother died, or whatever situation they might face that they are unable to explain. What better way to explain the unexplainable than by creating a world of Gods who decide those things. Just like any soap opera the best way to capture people's imaginations is to give those Gods their own lives, wills, wants, needs, personalities etc. You are now able to explain anything that is unexplainable in terms of the soap opera known as the Gods. It rained because.... or it didn't rain because... you see, you are able to explain anything you like. Now, this soap opera not only works on kids but it also works on adults, especially those who are uneducated. I am not saying that they are stupid or gullible, I am saying that they believe it simply because they don't know any better. There came a time when certain people got to see that the soap opera not only serves to explain, but it also serves to control. If people can be pushed into believing that the soap opera is real and that those actors actually wield the control that they do then one can easily manipulate and control the masses by writing the script of the soap opera. And so it came to be that adults believe in some fairy tales and not in others....

If you want to reach your kid in remarkable ways, then think up stories to teach them whatever it is you want them to learn.

[pmbguy]

I share your sinicism about religion. History shows us how Christianity was used for many deeds unbecoming of what is teaches as canon. It has always been a tool, accepted by Constintine through political prudence. Ever forth used by powers to subjugate their own people, used to subjugate those not yet under their control. One has to be ignorant to not to see the irony in Christianity.

I see the beauty in it, the good in it, a moral guide, yet I feel it unbecoming of reason to accept it as is – as reality

[adrianh]

I see the beauty in it, the good in it, a moral guide

Depends on which side of the particular fence you are sitting on.

[pmbguy]

Terrorist or freedom fighter?

[pmbguy]

I think that to be truly sane one must love with irony, believe with irony, fixated love and fixated belief is blinding.

[Marq]

accepted by Constintine through political prudence.

I think that should read....designed by Constantine to create political prudence.

Which is course why you can make no sense of it. I dont believe anyone with logical awareness can understand it.

I have another theory that we are all prisoners here on earth, placed by the aliens, who are in fact our true source and identity.
They created a body for you as your cell and placed you on earth, your prison.
Your sentence involves learning the lesson/s that you stuffed on your home planet and you will reincarnate as many times as it takes to learn that lesson/s.
There are many types of bodies they select from, depending on the crime and likelihood of redemption.
The bodies have been developed and refined over the aeons to enable easier paths and understandings back to the source.

[pmbguy]

I think that should read....designed by Constantine to create political prudence.

Superior articulation



Why not aliens? Although the word alien conjures folly, it remains a possibility. I don’t believe they have come to earth yet and said howzit. They probably very very far away and exist as a mathematical probability – space does not end. Perhaps through immortality-travel humans will oneday become the alien...the alien God (maybe thats what happened to us). Simply by reaching them (Other life in space) we would naturally be aliens...even alien gods. Interestingly the best movie I have ever seen portraying aliens was the movie Blob (1958) simply because it does not resemble what we conceive of as alien – usually humanoid, or somehow familiar.

Mark I agree with your conceptualisation of humans being imprisoned, but as you well know no prison is inescapable...

[adrianh]

Why do people believe that they are more than their bodies and that they have any significance whatsoever in the greater scheme of things?

human vanity = human stupidity

[tec0]

Why do people believe that they are more than their bodies and that they have any significance whatsoever in the greater scheme of things?

human vanity = human stupidity

Well I am not going to fight and try to explain things. Every choice you make is a choice you made and you must live with those choices so must I live with my own. I don't really care to argue with people that has more intelligence more success and a higher standard of life. There is just no point in it really. As for the farm house. I think you have the mouth but I don't think you will have the balls. Sorry... A lot of guys goes saying the same thing you did and when we stopped at the building and they pick up that "vibe" All they want to do is get as far away as possible. Honestly I don't blame them there is just something about that place that is shit scary. Place has a lot of bad history. But you don't believe in that stuff so you are welcome to shoot your mouth off.

So go for it

[Marq]

Why do people believe that they are more than their bodies and that they have any significance whatsoever in the greater scheme of things?

Imagination is in focus I guess.
Its only the people from the excited states who believe they are really significant.....isn't it?.
But otherwise thats right - as George Carlin pointed out...

What's the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your plan?

[adrianh]

Marq....ooooo I like you style!

I really like this:

What's the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your plan?

Ah, you see, that's why its so great not to be bothered with all that stuff: Nobody gets to F*ck with your Chi

[Slow Blow]

Wow, after reading this fred I feel the need to go down the pub and cast out a few demons

"Religion began when the first con-man met the first half wit, the rest is history".

[adrianh]

Slow Blow....Rock on....