The great picture of our lives

[Blurock]

One lesson that I have learnt is to stop being the victim.
Stop being the loser, stop being the orphan, stop being the poor boy, stop being bullied or victimised. A negative self esteem eats away at your confidence and requires you to look for a crutch in life. Someone to hide behind or to fight your battles for you.

Once I overcome that, I grew in confidence and could excel in the things that I enjoyed. I now see a problem for what it is and not as a conspiracy of the universe against me.

[tec0]

I honestly didn’t know how to respond to her!

She is not empowered because the people that are in control spend billions on themselves. They live in a luxury that is almost fictional. Why because those who are in power are in power by those who empowered them.

It is not my fault that her children can’t continue to study nor is it yours. My simple reaction would be. “I am so sorry to hear about your troubles I really am sincerely sorry. But the only way you can perhaps change things is if you empower someone to change them for you.” That is the truth and it is what it is.

Here is a second truth; an event any event inevitably happens because the future is written in stone. Not even a raindrop is random.... There are no accidents, choices or a alternative outcome. Everything is by design.

We will live by this design we will die by this design. The choices you made was already made. Let’s say you want to proof me wrong and take another road to your home. Was that a choice? You could have taken the same road to your home?

The fact remained you did it to proof me wrong thus it wasn’t a choice you where manipulated to take an alternative road to your home. Or you where manipulated by other factors to take the same road home.

There is no such thing as choice.

[wynn]

If a butterfly flaps it wings in Berlize will it cause a hurricane in Haiti?

The winning formula when gambling in a casino besides keeping your money in your pocket is;-
1 Have a fixed starting sum, a fixed winning target, a fixed loosing limit and a fixed time.
2 win loose or draw, time is up, walk away. winning target achieved, walk away. loosing limit reached, walk away
3 when playing black jack never stand under fourteen, always stand over fourteen.
when playing roulette only play twos&threes, three columns, three twelves (top, middle, bottom) twos red&black odds&evens

In life it is important to have a sense of humor, so you can laugh in the face of bad luck, then you can laugh when you have good luck.

In business there is no luck, just good and bad opportunities, learn to distinguish the difference.

[adrianh]

In business there is no luck, just good and bad opportunities, learn to distinguish the difference.

I beg to differ, being in the right place at the right time is pure LUCK.

Many devices were invented that were said to be before their time. Nitro Cellulose was discovered purely by chance. Many great ventures began with a chance meeting.

Yes of course there is a place for hard work, but never discount the ever present finger of lady luck.

[vieome]

She is not empowered because the people that are in control spend billions on themselves. They live in a luxury that is almost fictional. Why because those who are in power are in power by those who empowered them.

It is not my fault that her children can’t continue to study nor is it yours. My simple reaction would be. “I am so sorry to hear about your troubles I really am sincerely sorry. But the only way you can perhaps change things is if you empower someone to change them for you.” That is the truth and it is what it is.

Here is a second truth; an event any event inevitably happens because the future is written in stone. Not even a raindrop is random.... There are no accidents, choices or a alternative outcome. Everything is by design.

We will live by this design we will die by this design. The choices you made was already made. Let’s say you want to proof me wrong and take another road to your home. Was that a choice? You could have taken the same road to your home?

The fact remained you did it to proof me wrong thus it wasn’t a choice you where manipulated to take an alternative road to your home. Or you where manipulated by other factors to take the same road home.

There is no such thing as choice.

I agree with a lot of your post but the idea that there is no choice is very difficult getting my noodle around. On the one hand that is like saying that human beings are nothing more then programs of a grand designer. I think there is choice, but the choices we make which we think are our own are nothing more then illusions. We make choices but we never understand why we made the choice. So even saying the choices we made are already made still implies that there is choice. And the idea of being manipulated to take a different route home implies that the manipulator made the choice for you, and had a choice in doing so.

[tec0]

I agree with a lot of your post but the idea that there is no choice is very difficult getting my noodle around. On the one hand that is like saying that human beings are nothing more then programs of a grand designer. I think there is choice, but the choices we make which we think are our own are nothing more then illusions. We make choices but we never understand why we made the choice. So even saying the choices we made are already made still implies that there is choice. And the idea of being manipulated to take a different route home implies that the manipulator made the choice for you, and had a choice in doing so.

Now I am going to microwave that noodle of yours

Fact or fiction, the only reason you have a choice "or you think you do" is because the situation exist to make the choice. So what created the situation? More importantly if the situation didn't exist would you still need to make a choice?

A situation is an accumulation of events that now needs to be concluded. So your choice will conclude the standing situation. But only the correct action will satisfy the situation otherwise it continues to accumulate until it is correctly concluded.


Welcome to the real Matrix

so will that be the red jellybean or the blue jellybean?

[vieome]

Now I am going to microwave that noodle of yours

Fact or fiction, the only reason you have a choice "or you think you do" is because the situation exist to make the choice. So what created the situation? More importantly if the situation didn't exist would you still need to make a choice?

A situation is an accumulation of events that now needs to be concluded. So your choice will conclude the standing situation. But only the correct action will satisfy the situation otherwise it continues to accumulate until it is correctly concluded.

That still leaves me with making a choice between the correct action or incorrect action.

so will that be the red jellybean or the blue jellybean?

If you look closer at this question that is my point that some choices are illusions, because in the choice between the red and the blue is a third choice. That is 'NO Jellybeans for me"

[tec0]

That still leaves me with making a choice between the correct action or incorrect action.

Therein is the illusion of choice. The situation demands to be resolved. By not resolving it you become part of the accumulation process and the situation will reappear over and over again until you or someone else resolves it. “Meaning taking the action required by the situation nothing more and nothing less”

Example; giving the right answer to a mathematical problem.

By not making a choice you are just prolonging the inevitable...

[vieome]

I think you might be getting confused between the idea of free will and destiny. On the one hand what you are saying is there is no choice, and on the other that we have to make choices to reach a given destiny that is pre-determined. That still means that there is choice but the choice is made for us. If you argue that choices are not important because no matter which route you take you still going to get home, that I can understand. Determinism

The situation demands to be resolved.

The situation demands choices are made that will resolve the situation, there is no getting around the idea of choices, and all one can argue is are the choices free or are they not.

If you ask some one to choose a number from 1 to(2) 4 and respond as fast as they can they will choose 3 , so while they believe they made a concious choice the brain simply chooses the missing number 3, that leaves the concious self with the illusion of choice, but the brain making the choice.

So lets say that two peoples given destiny is riches, so no matter what choices they make they will get there. One chooses corruption, and one follows the normal route.

[tec0]

There is no right or wrong actually. You believe in choice I believe in mathematical certainty order within the chaos. Realising that every action has a reaction every situation is created by necessity. Every solution a precisely executed formula.

You will be manipulated into solving the situation you think it is choice for me it is just a program.

[adrianh]

You will be manipulated into solving the situation you think it is choice for me it is just a program.

So why bother to execute the program, why not just get stoned and die a happy life.

[vieome]

There is no right or wrong actually. You believe in choice I believe in mathematical certainty order within the chaos. Realising that every action has a reaction every situation is created by necessity. Every solution a precisely executed formula.

You will be manipulated into solving the situation you think it is choice for me it is just a program.

I understand where you coming from the law of large numbers but even that does not remove choice. Every action has a reaction, means someone got to make a choice of which action should be taken.

If it is just a program who is running the program? who created the program?. If we have no choice over our actions, do we have choice over the thoughts we have in our heads?

You believe in choice I believe in mathematical certainty order within the chaos.

Now we reach the facts, so you agree it is not a fact as you stated earlier that there is no choice that is just a believe system?

[tec0]

LLN is a cool theory, enjoyed it. However you are thinking of just one situation. They say a broken clock will be correct twice a day. Now this works almost in the same way. You have thousands of situations each of them seeking to be resolved.

Now let’s say Situation (A) is too difficult so you make “the choice that not actually a choice” and you rather get stoned be happy and die.

Now you have not satisfied situation (A) but another Situation that needed you to “get stoned be happy and die” was satisfied. So it boils down to the perspective of the situation.

Each program will give the desired outcome for an existing situation. Your set of rules that makes you well you, will dictate what situations will be resolved by you. Thus you end up selecting the situations that you are designed for. And you always do... That is not choice that is design...

[vieome]

Now let’s say Situation (A) is too difficult so you make “the choice that not actually a choice” and you rather get stoned be happy and die.

Everything begins in choice!

User Choice in situation (A)
1. Run the program
2. Dont Run the program

If choice 1 selected - user on desired path
Else choice 2 selected - give user more choice GOTO SITUATION B

Situation B
3. Get Stoned
4. Dont get Stoned

If Choice 3 selected GOTO Situation C 
Else Choice 4 selected GOTO Situation A(Loop)

Situation C
5. Be happy
6. Dont be happy GOTO Situation A(loop)

You Get the picture

[tec0]

Almost, you got the concept...

Now for choice (or the illusion of choice) You think you said no to the situation and or made the choice to say no. The truth is you said no to the situation because your program will not be able to resolve the situation. You think the choice was made by you but the choice was made by the situation.

The actual bit that you didn't consider is "what is the outcome that the situation needs in order to resolve it. That is the unknown bit... You don't know what the outcome must be. So basically it comes down to this you are not selecting the situation. The situation is actually selecting you.