military veterans pension email

[murdock]

anyone know about the military veterans pension document floating around...appaprently if you served in the sandf before 1994...there is talk about surplus funds to be claimed...

please note this is a rumour at this point in time until i can verify if it is a scam or for real.

if anyone has any details regarding this email please advise.

http://www.saarmourassociation.co.za/images/MIL%20VET%20REG%20FORM%20UPDATABLEG7_distributed.pdf

[Mike C]

Hi Murdock - you can catch up on the thread SMS Milvet.

[Christel]

Hi Murdock, According to all info we have received so far, this is not a hoax and there are funds available, but you have to apply and then SANDF will check their records, etc, etc, and then decide what type of compensation you qualify for. Apparently the due date for applications is tomorrow, but according to another source the deadline has been extended with 1 month, but we have not been able to verify this. I will be able to post more info tonight...

[Just Gone]

So are we going to fill that form in and submit or not ???

[Kimanne]

Hi, Yes it is a true story. I know someone that went to fill out the forms today. I don't know about the deadline.

[Just Gone]

Ok thanks, but do you think the website that murdock mentions above is ok where you can fill it in online and click submit ??

[murdock]

i will be going tomorrow to do this at the offices...2 years + all the 3 month camps...we could be in for a few bob apparently...it seems legit.

[dfsa]

There were plenty scams on this in the last Two Years. Most asked R80 to process your form for you, claiming that you qualify for R30 000-00 benefits.

They kept stating deadline, deadline to pull people to come and give their sensitive info out at a fee. Mmmmmmm

The debate on benefits for veterans was discussed in Parliament for a long time.

Anybody that think they will just get a little windfall, no I don't think so. They are purely going to look at your situation and will make available at no cost things like, free military health care, assistance for disabled veterans or their family's etc.



Below are some articles regarding this:

Thousands of military veterans have been thrown a lifeline with a possible R1.5 billion likely to be allocated for socio-economic support by the government.

The Department of Military Veterans has asked the National Treasury to allocate these funds in a roll-out of benefits for veterans over the next three years.

This will see eligible military veterans being provided with benefits including medical care, housing and financial support for the education of their dependants.

The Military Veterans Act says military veterans include those who served in the statutory and non-statutory armed forces.

This will include former members of the SA Defence Force (SADF) and those from the former liberation movements including Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK) and the Azanian People’s Liberation Army (Apla).

Military Veterans director-general Tsepe Motumi said the roll-out of these support services would be biased towards those who were historically disadvantaged. But it would also provide enough support for those from the former SADF.

“Those who were in the SADF used to receive salaries and benefits, while combatants from liberation movements did not enjoy the same benefits.

“But these services are meant for all them, with the aim of alleviating the suffering of many military veterans who fought to ensure our country is where it is today,” said Motumi.

Support for the military veterans was an urgent matter as many of them were living under severe conditions without basic services like medical care, he said.

“Many combatants were not integrated into the SANDF after 1994 for various reasons, including physical suitability.

“For many of them, life has been challenging because of unemployment and the lack of sufficient support for them.

“This will be urgently attended to and we hope that they can come forward and declare themselves to be able to access these benefits,” said Motumi.

The department has already established a database with the names of 57 000 military veterans who are eligible to access the support.

On Monday, the department will start the second phase of the process of updating its database.

It has called on military veterans and their families to come forward to be registered on the database.

This will enable the veterans to receive, among other things, medical care from military hospitals or centres in the areas where they live.

The department is also in discussions with the Department of Housing about the provision of housing for the veterans. But Motumi also admitted that the roll-out was not without its challenges.

As a relatively new department, the issue of capacity was a major hurdle, he said.

There were still many vacancies, especially senior posts, which still need to be filled at the department for it to be fully operational.

“We are capacitated, but not enough.

“We have been using the resources of the defence force for most of the work that has been done.

“But we believe by the end of this financial year (in 2013), we will be fully operational and sufficiently capacitated. It could also be sooner.

“We will need more money but the R1.5 billion that we have requested from the Treasury is specifically for the roll-out of benefits to the military veterans.

“It does not include departmental requirements,” he said.

The department does not have its own building. Motumi said they were expecting the Department of Public Works to provide them with premises.

“That impacts on the extent to which we are accessible to military veterans and how effective we become, but we are hoping that will be sorted out.

“We appeal to those military veterans out there who have not yet come forward to do so.

“This will improve their lives because it creates access to services that they were not able to get before.

“The compilation of this database is vital to this process because if we do not know about them, we cannot assist them,” said Motumi.

Further details regarding the process can be found on the department’s website.

mogomotsi.magome@inl.co.za

Pretoria News

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2012-04-04
Department of Military Veterans

The Military Veterans Act came into effect on 1 April 2012.

The bill was signed into law in December last year. It was tabled in Parliament in January 2011.

Public hearings on the bill were held in Parliament in March 2011.

The act is designed to:

• Restore the capability of veterans with disabilities and improve their quality of life
• Improve the definition of beneficiaries to make it inclusive
• Clearly spell out the support and benefits to be provided to veterans
• Establish relevant institutions to give effect to the provisions

The legislation also seeks to:

• Establish an advisory council on military veterans
• Establish a military veterans appeal board
• Set out the responsibilities of the department’s director-general in respect of the military veterans association and its functions
• Set out the department’s powers and responsibilities

The act also contains a new definition on a military veteran.

A military veteran is any South African citizen “who rendered service to any of the military organisations, statutory and non-statutory, which were involved on all sides of South Africa’s liberation war from 1960 to 1994; or served in the Union Defence Force before 1961; or became members of the new SANDF after 1994; and has completed his or her military training and no longer performs military service, and has not been dishonourably discharged from that military organisation”.

Veterans are to be subjected to a means test in order to establish eligibility.

In addition, assistance will only be provided to a veteran’s dependants if the veteran was legally obliged to support them.

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The act is legite, but I am not sure if it is a good thing to simply go and give all your personal detail to these institutions.

http://www.saarmourassociation.co.za...istributed.pdf This document looks legite. However, Given the fact that this should be top news, I can not find the document, nor recent news regarding this on the Department of Defence website.

http://www.dod.mil.za

[murdock]

that right there is what makes me suspicious...why are they not making the public aware...ie news ...news papers...as it is going to cost the tax payer billions of rands...surely they would make a big thing of it...

maybe i can finally retire...as i am physically and mentally challenged

[Mike C]

Hi Murdock - something seems off about this to me. I went down to our local military station to ask a few questions. Whereas they did not dismiss it out of hand, they also wondered where all the money was going to come from. Nevertheless, I was encouraged to go to the local reserve office and register, as it was then "done". I never went.

Seems to me that if this is legit, then it should be well advertised with proper information rather than hearsay. People who have missed the sms's etc will be able to take this to court one day (if ever there was any payout) and say that they were not informed.

As those warning against scams say "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

[Just Gone]

Ja I am also very wary . Why would there be a "deadline" - surely if we were due some payment you are due it ! And it would be publicised.

[murdock]

i also decided to go down and find out more...to find a que...4 hours long...sorry mate i dont do ques so i went to the front of the que and started asking questions...nobody is quite sure what is actually go on...even at the gate where i went to ask questions.

so i decided to go to another military base...were there was no que...and as i suspected...not even personel at the sandf know what is actually going on...they informed me that is it has nothing to do with the sandf hence the reason for only one base doing it...all they are doing is verifying that you are registered on the database ...the R10000 rumours which is going around was just to get everyone to go down and register...boy is it working...by the ques i saw this morning.

apparently it might pay off in about 25 years time once they have finalised the court case which is in progress...it apparently has to do with MK veterans getting paid out...it is unconstitutional that they get paid out and we dont...so like the firearms kak that got everyone to hand in their firearms which also worked because 90 % of the people i know handed in their firearms...it a pending court case which could go on for many years to come.

another thing to consider surely if this was for real they would have made a public notice and indicated were to register etc.

facts

the document on the internet is a fraudulant document and and cannot be used
you cannot fill in any document and send it via email fax etc
there is no fee you have to pay for giving away this information
this has nothing to do with the sandf...it is a veterans association pension scheme and have to report to a location where the association is carrying out the registration in person
it is merly to verify that you are registered on the system...much like fica
there is no payout...it is purely to verify that you are registered on their database
the deadline has been moved to 16 july 2012 for you to register if you want to.

the way i see it...it just another rumour floating around and it could be a means of mobilising the troops if they are required for active duty in the near future


99 % of the people i asked while walking to the front of the que indicated that they had heard "today" was the cuttoff and if they didnt register by today would loose out on the payout and only heard about it this morning.

[Gregg Munstermann]

If you are going to register why not just do it on line in the link provided by murdock? I went to Military Base 84 at 184 Old Fort Road in Durban today and there where hundreds of people queuing to register? If it was a scam the military base would not be registering the people?

[Just Gone]

If you are going to register why not just do it on line in the link provided by murdock? I went to Military Base 84 at 184 Old Fort Road in Durban today and there where hundreds of people queuing to register? If it was a scam the military base would not be registering the people?

Because I think we are a bit scared of giving out personal details.

[murdock]

If you are going to register why not just do it on line in the link provided by murdock? I went to Military Base 84 at 184 Old Fort Road in Durban today and there where hundreds of people queuing to register? If it was a scam the military base would not be registering the people?

you cannot register online...you have to do it in person.
the document in the link is not valid.
how long did you wait in the que?
did anyone there actually know what was going on and why you were registering...in other words did they give you some form of documentation or proof that you registered and why you were registering?