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  • IMHO
    Email problem

    • Jan 2012
    • 540

    #31
    Have you decided yet whether you are going to register for VAT or not? What is the reasons for your decision?

    What accounting software are you going to use? You must use something. Keeping track of stock, invoices, payments, purchases pricing etc. is impossible to do without it. Some people think they can track it all on spreadsheets. Don't!

    Do your budget by completing the above table with your expectations. You can do it top down or bottom up. Use a spreadsheet like Excel.

    Gross Mix:
    When doing your gross profit, remember gross mix. It means you sell different things at different profit levels. Blind lines is lines where people do not really care and do not compare prices. Even if they do, chances is that your opposition will also make a bigger profit on these lines. It is also called 'bread and butter' lines, where you make your profit. Then there is very sensitive lines, called 'lost leaders'. On these you make very little or no profit. To stay in business, you must balance the proportion of lost leaders to bread and butter lines. Sell too many lost leaders, and you will not make your gross budget. Selling too many bread and butter lines, is good for your gross budget, but means you can be more aggressive on your lost leaders, to attract customers.

    Say you sell R1000 high gross lines and R3000 low gross.
    High gross you decided to sell at 40% gross, as your opposition is allowing you to do so.
    Low gross you decided to sell at 5% gross, to come in under your opposition.
    Your gross mix is now R400 profit plus R150 = R550.00, being 13.75% of R4000.
    So, although you have a gross budget of 13.75%, you must have a strategy of how you are going to mix your markups to achieve it.
    Without a history of sales, this is going to be a thumb suck at best, but you will have to give it a go and change things as you are going along and monitoring your actuals.

    Expenses:
    Neglect to do a proper budget and stick to it, will be a sure recipe for failure. List each and every line of expense that will be applicable to your business and budget a realistic amount for it. Google is your friend. Use it to research what type of expenses can come along without you anticipating it. Take a thing like SAMRO. Nobody talks about it, but if you play 'music on hold' on your telephone, or have a radio in the office, you are supposed to pay royalties. You might get away, because you are under the radar, I just use it as an example. If you are a 'visible' business, Dept of Labor is going to be on your case, so is TV inspectors and all types of 'inspectors'. A few things I can think of off the cuff for an on-line business, is obviously all the Internet related services, Telephone, Water and Lights, Rent or equivalent, advertising, petrol, stationery, repairs and maintenance of equipment, insurance, postage and delivery charges, wages, uif, workers compensation, TV licenses, legal fees, accounting fees, staff benefits like snacks or events, training, vehicles and maintenance. The list goes on and on... Some things you can claim, some not. But whether you can claim it or not, if you are going to use or do it, you better budget for it! Condition yourself to have the discipline to say, if it is not in the budget, live without it. See my signature.
    ~Expenses will eat you alive! - My first Boss~

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    • league_of_ordinary_men
      Silver Member

      • May 2012
      • 428

      #32
      IMHO,you are the best thanks for you help so far.I don't have any accounting software in mind do you have any suggestions(if possible can you include prices)?If you don't mind me asking what type of business are you in(you can pm me the answer if you don't want everyone to know)?

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      • IMHO
        Email problem

        • Jan 2012
        • 540

        #33
        l_o_o_m, i do not know if you are having me on. Go slow on the praises. This is basic stuff. Makes me think you are making fun of me. In any case, some might laugh at it, some might find value.

        I use TurboCash. But I have accounting background from my days in retail and subject at school, matric. If you do not have a basic knowledge, get an accountant, or help from someone. Pastel is widely used and understood, so it might be a better choice. Speak to http://www.theforumsa.co.za/forums/m...Neville-Bailey. He is an advisor on Pastel. Pastel is not free, like TurboCash. But if you need support from TurboCash, it is going to cost you. I use the old version, which I understand and do not need support. So Neville is your man!

        The forum knows I am in Hospitality and my profile shows I am ex retail.
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        • Neville Bailey
          Diamond Member

          • Nov 2010
          • 2786

          #34
          Originally posted by IMHO
          Pastel is widely used and understood, so it might be a better choice. Speak to http://www.theforumsa.co.za/forums/m...Neville-Bailey. He is an advisor on Pastel. Pastel is not free, like TurboCash. But if you need support from TurboCash, it is going to cost you. I use the old version, which I understand and do not need support. So Neville is your man!
          Thanks for the mention, IMHO!

          l_o_o_m, drop me a line if you would like to chat about the various Pastel options. The great thing about having a proper accounting system is that all of the calculations (including VAT, breakeven, gross profit, etc) can easily be derived using the generally accepted formulae.
          Neville Bailey - Sage Pastel Accounting Consultant
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          neville@accountingsoftwaresupport.co.za
          IronTree Online Solutions

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          • IMHO
            Email problem

            • Jan 2012
            • 540

            #35
            Originally posted by Neville Bailey
            Thanks for the mention, IMHO!
            And who says photography is not worth it? hehe, its a pleasure!
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            • league_of_ordinary_men
              Silver Member

              • May 2012
              • 428

              #36
              Hi IMHO,I am not having you on in any way just appreciate you helping me out,I find value in the information you give me and I believe give credit were credit is due.Some people on a form usually reply one's or twice and then say search or google it.This might be basic stuff but it has value and finding this information on your own is not easy.And thanks for the suggestion.

              Hi Neville Bailey,thank for the reply and I will send you a PM if you don't mind.

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              • IMHO
                Email problem

                • Jan 2012
                • 540

                #37
                OK, great. Shout if you have a problem.
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                • bjsteyn
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                  • Jul 2010
                  • 231

                  #38
                  league_of_ordinary_men, here is a little program so that you can calculate markup and selling price based on GP.

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                  • wynn
                    Diamond Member

                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3338

                    #39
                    My 2c
                    to get a 10% mark up is different to a 10% markup

                    eg 100+10%= 110
                    110-10%= 99

                    to arrive at a figure that gives you a 10% markup you need to divide by .9
                    so
                    100/.9= 111.11
                    111.11-10%= 100 (allowing for decimal points)

                    so if you want to show a 10% profit you need to divide by .9 to calculate your selling price otherwise if you just mark up by 10% you will show a 9% profit

                    The idea is that you do all these calculations excluding, that is before you add VAT or calculate your input and output vat because that is not going to affect your profit at the end of the day.

                    so

                    100/.9= 111.11+14%VAT=SP126.67 (rounding decimal point up) Vat is 15.56

                    SP126.67-VAT= 111.11 (rounding decimal point down)

                    profit=111.11-100=11.11 or 10% of selling price before vat came into it.
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                    • league_of_ordinary_men
                      Silver Member

                      • May 2012
                      • 428

                      #40
                      Hi bjsteyn and wynn,bjsteyn the program looks good still need to test don't have time at the moment back it looks very us full thanks and wynn nifty little calculation I will add that to my new bag of tricks thanke you.

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                      • dellatjie
                        Silver Member

                        • Sep 2012
                        • 335

                        #41
                        It doesn't make sense though that customers would want you to register for VAT just to be able to claim that amount back from SARS?

                        Why just NOT pay it in the first place?

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                        • IMHO
                          Email problem

                          • Jan 2012
                          • 540

                          #42
                          dellatjie, it is to keep their bookkeeping systems uncomplicated. They ensure all their suppliers is vat registered, then they claim vat on all purchases and do not have to worry who is registered and who not and whether they can get the same price from a vendor that is registered. It is like working with apples and not to worry whether one is a pear. If they get audited later by SARS, they have no risk of some claims being rejected, which could cost them a lot of money.
                          ~Expenses will eat you alive! - My first Boss~

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                          • CLIVE-TRIANGLE
                            Gold Member

                            • Mar 2012
                            • 886

                            #43
                            If you are not registered for VAT, then it means your input vat becomes a cost to you and it's recovery is included in your price to your customer, thus making you more expensive than Joe who is registered.

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                            • dellatjie
                              Silver Member

                              • Sep 2012
                              • 335

                              #44
                              @IMHO, thanks for the explanation, I think because accountants / auditors are not that involved in the day-to-day activities of a business, they tend to miss these obvious practical workings of businesses.

                              @Clive-Triangle - Makes more sense now, thank you for helping me think further!

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