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  • Dave A
    Site Caretaker

    • May 2006
    • 22803

    #1

    Consumer protection act starts biting.

    From today (25 April 2010), you have the right, without having to prove negligence, to claim damages from a company if you suffer physical harm or financial loss because it supplied you with a defective product. We report on two provisions in the long-awaited Consumer Protection Act (CPA) that have come into effect.

    If you suffer any injury or harm as a result of an unsafe or defective product bought from today, you have the right to claim damages from the company responsible under the CPA.

    A provision of the CPA that takes effect from today and that affects you, the consumer, is the "no-fault" liability of companies for harm or damage as a result of an unsafe or a defective product.

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  • Erika Gordon
    Suspended
    • Apr 2010
    • 18

    #2
    Very good,

    How will the courts enforce it? Lets look at a policy that FS sold as "guaranteed returns" suddenly lost value. There is an economic loss but not due to illness, death or injury. Can this stand in court?

    Lets look at energy: Power outages and restaurants suffered spoiled food. Economic loss but not due to illness, death or injury.

    What about non-service delivery ...

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    • tec0
      Diamond Member

      • Jun 2009
      • 4624

      #3
      Yes this is very good! I just wonder if you got a car that is defective and was sold to you anyway if that will also fall under this law. Because A> driving without lights is illegal and a massif risk to your health and B> it is unbelievably costly to repair.
      peace is a state of mind
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      • Dave A
        Site Caretaker

        • May 2006
        • 22803

        #4
        Originally posted by Erika Gordon
        How will the courts enforce it?
        That seems to be the big question. The legislation implies that it is up to the courts to set precedent. How are we supposed to second guess where the courts might draw the line in this?
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        • leuce
          Full Member
          • Jul 2007
          • 45

          #5
          Originally posted by Dave A
          From today (25 April 2010), you have the right, without having to prove negligence, to claim damages from a company if you suffer physical harm or financial loss because it supplied you with a defective product. We report on two provisions in the long-awaited Consumer Protection Act (CPA) that have come into effect.
          The customer doesn't have to prove negligence but he does have to prove that the harm or loss was caused by a defect in the product.

          [Aside: If your product is a computer file (e.g. a Word document) and the file contains a virus, then your product is unsafe. The fact that you checked the file for viruses beforehand is not relevant because proving non-negligence is no longer a valid defense. I guess this is where professional liability insurance comes in...]

          I wonder what this will do to freelancers, such as translators or graphic artists whose product is electronic (let's exclude for the moment freelancers who provide physical things like printed artwork, instead of just PDFs or DOCs, because printed artwork can be unsafe under certain circumstances -- don't ask!).

          Physical harm can't come from their products, but financial harm can. And I don't think their products can ever be unsafe, they can definitely be defective. And defects in their products lead to financial harm... BIG financial harm.

          A translator may charge R500 for the translation of something that, if defective, may lead to millions of rands' worth of financial harm. So the ratio between the income from the product and the potential loss from it is very unequal.

          The new says that the customer must prove that the product is defective, but if there is uncertainty (or if the existence of the defect is based on opinion rather than fact), who has the biggest burden of proof -- the customer or the product provider?

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          • tec0
            Diamond Member

            • Jun 2009
            • 4624

            #6
            First of all consumer protection law is useless. I tested the law in a situation where the supplier abused the product and in the end it cost us thousands to repair. This law did not protect us. So it is worthless
            peace is a state of mind
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            • leuce
              Full Member
              • Jul 2007
              • 45

              #7
              Originally posted by tec0
              First of all consumer protection law is useless. I tested the law in a situation where...
              The fact that the law failed to protect you as a customer doesn't mean the law will fail to protect one of your customers against you. It is irresponsible business practice to make such an assumption.

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              • Dave A
                Site Caretaker

                • May 2006
                • 22803

                #8
                In legal application, the word "injury" refers to any harm, damage or loss, not just in a medical or physical sense.
                Originally posted by tec0
                I tested the law in a situation where the supplier abused the product and in the end it cost us thousands to repair.
                The supplier abused the product? You've lost me
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                • leuce
                  Full Member
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 45

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dave A
                  In legal application, the word "injury" refers to any harm, damage or loss, not just in a medical or physical sense.
                  Sure, but the original quote does not mention injury. It says "physical harm", which is is injury in the common sense. Are you saying that the law protects consumers against all kinds of harm?

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                  • Dave A
                    Site Caretaker

                    • May 2006
                    • 22803

                    #10
                    Originally posted by leuce
                    Sure, but the original quote does not mention injury. It says "physical harm", which is is injury in the common sense. Are you saying that the law protects consumers against all kinds of harm?
                    The original article says "physical harm or financial loss" which are elements of "injury".

                    I suspect we debate this at crossed purposes though - the point was intended as a response to this post:
                    Originally posted by Erika Gordon
                    Very good,

                    How will the courts enforce it? Lets look at a policy that FS sold as "guaranteed returns" suddenly lost value. There is an economic loss but not due to illness, death or injury. Can this stand in court?

                    Lets look at energy: Power outages and restaurants suffered spoiled food. Economic loss but not due to illness, death or injury.

                    What about non-service delivery ...
                    My apologies for any confusion caused.
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                    • murdock
                      Suspended

                      • Oct 2007
                      • 2346

                      #11
                      would i be able to sue kentucky...i purchased a roll with gravy inside it...they must have left it in the microwave for toooo long...it burnt my chin and down my neck that i had a blister...when i contacted KFC they replied telling me to be careful in future sometimes their products are hot...
                      the staff at the counter found it rather amusing...i didnt.

                      i dont know why they have to make the stuff so hot...sometimes the coffee is so hot you get to your destination and still cant drink it...maybe they dont understand the difference between warm and high on the microwave.

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                      • Dave A
                        Site Caretaker

                        • May 2006
                        • 22803

                        #12
                        Originally posted by murdock
                        would i be able to sue kentucky...
                        Somebody has to be first

                        Did you go to a doctor and have it examined. You're sure to need a witness, preferably an expert for evidence.
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                        • sterne.law@gmail.com
                          Platinum Member

                          • Oct 2009
                          • 1332

                          #13
                          No doubt you have a case. You do not even need the consumer protection act.
                          Best case in point - McDonalds being sued because the coffee was hot an dthe lady spilt on her.

                          Of course we will need to show that you were not negligient in your eating habits. LOL
                          Anthony Sterne

                          www.acumenholdings.co.za
                          DISCLAIMER The above is merely a comment in discussion form and an open public arena. It does not constitute a legal opinion or professional advice in any manner or form.

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                          • SilverNodashi
                            Platinum Member

                            • May 2007
                            • 1197

                            #14
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                            • sterne.law@gmail.com
                              Platinum Member

                              • Oct 2009
                              • 1332

                              #15
                              The act is not fully operational, only certain components. October is the BIG day. I have some concern in that the commisions and tribunal vehicles are not yet established. In fact the postion of Commisioner and deputy commisioner were only advertised this Sunday in the Sunday times.
                              Anthony Sterne

                              www.acumenholdings.co.za
                              DISCLAIMER The above is merely a comment in discussion form and an open public arena. It does not constitute a legal opinion or professional advice in any manner or form.

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