DOL says AIA are legal

[murdock]

cool...did the DOL realise they would actually have to do some work...get up to speed with regulation and would have a massive job trying to police the electrical industry (anyone know if the chief inspector has any qualifications?)...so rather just palm it off onto private companies...you got to love the way the goverment creates employment.

SO who do we contact in duban.....aaaaaaaaah...oooh we dont actually have anyone in durban or in many other parts of the country...ooops...we didnt think that far...didnt realise this was also gona involve some thought and actually have to do some work.

but its ok we have managed without them for all this time...there arent that many deaths electriciution and fires who cares insurance pays out...

[TECHNICIAN 810]

Mooi gese!
No responsibility whatsoever.
As you say, We'll keep it safe for as long as possible.

[Sparks]

According the the AIA in Joburg it is only there and Cape Town with AIA's. Could have something to do with the fact that there is more money to be had working as a Contractor.

[Dave A]

Could have something to do with the fact that there is more money to be had working as a Contractor.

Between that and the red tape, perhaps. It just doesn't seem to be commercially viable in most centres.

[murdock]

and thats the problem right there...as soon as you add the word money making it becomes a problem...who is gona pay the AIA for their work...the department of labour must step up and take on their responsibility...if they cant take on this task ...nobody will ever be able to...so no matter how many carte blanche clips there are...why dont they contract the police department out to private companies...for the same reason...you cannot have private individuals controlling the industry.

i am however pleased to announce that i have been working in the richards bay area and found where the DOL hang out...boy in that place you have to spend 3-4 days just getting medicals...health and safety...induction courses completed before they even allow you access to the sites...and each site has its own induction...and once on site have to do risk assesments for everything before you processd with any form of work...and i mean anything...why because enough people die at work there to warrant it...i can only assume places like durban dont have enough fatalities to warrant their presence...this could be why they dont bother with AIAs either.

[Sparks]

The AIA charge R600 per inspection. If all the guys issuing invalid COCs' were reported and the people prepared to pay there would be enough money to be made as an AIA. If I were on the doorstep of retiring I would certainly consider it. Only inspections, no work. My heart,lungs and lnees would like that.
The public need to be made more aware of the consequences and risks of an invalid COC. They must start attacking the guilty party, not the industry. At the end of the day they will be able to claim it back anyway.

[Dave A]

The AIA charge R600 per inspection.

So how many can you handle a day? Particularly when you bear in mind each case is not just the inspection - it's the paperwork and slanging match that comes with it.

[Sparks]

To supplement your pension, one a day is enough.

[murdock]

R600 for what type of inspection...a 1 bedroom granny cottage?

[Sparks]

Apparently all that is required is to gain enough evidence to prove that the jerk who signed off the job should not have done it. Neither the AIA nor DOL did a complete or thorough inspection. They just gathered enough evidence to stand in court with their photos and say here is the proof, the COC is invalid. The jerk still has a week if they sent him his letter last week. We have heard nothing from him yet. I sure as hell hope DOL and AIA realise that I will not be letting this guy off the hook. The industry needs an example, especially after the Carte Blanche fiasco.

[murdock]

so you are saying the DOL and the AIA came to check the installation....

[Sparks]

Yes, I contacted DOL (Isaac) and he gave me the AIA's contact details. I phoned Mark Palmer and he sent out an inspector (Warren). After Warren did the cursory inspection, I notified Isaac that they had been there. He then personally brought his own inspector who also did a cursory inspection. They satisfied themselves that they had collected sufficient evidence that the COC is invalid and informed me that they are obligated to give Volta Electrical 14 days in which to bring the installation up to standard. Mr Bornman of Volta Electrical has made no attempt to contact myself or my nephew, the new owner.

[Adam Mashinini]

Apparently all that is required is to gain enough evidence to prove that the jerk who signed off the job should not have done it. Neither the AIA nor DOL did a complete or thorough inspection. They just gathered enough evidence to stand in court with their photos and say here is the proof, the COC is invalid. The jerk still has a week if they sent him his letter last week. We have heard nothing from him yet. I sure as hell hope DOL and AIA realise that I will not be letting this guy off the hook. The industry needs an example, especially after the Carte Blanche fiasco.

If this is Mr Jan Bornman u r ranting about......sheesh... i dont know. he has been in business for 30 years plus and is highly reccomended? surely there are two sides to a story? or are u maybe a little biased because it is a nephew?

just a word of advice, i can find fault at ANY installation no matter how good u think you are. was this a "fault finding" session or did jan genuinly slip up?

[murdock]

sparks why dont you start a thread and give us more details so we can see for ourselves if you are being bias or not...

an inspection report

some photos

and adam can send a link to jan so that he can defend himself.

[Sparks]

Somehow I think Adam has someone else in mind. The original thread is at : http://www.theforumsa.co.za/forums/s...COC?highlight=
There are 2 photos and a copy of the COC with inspection report.
As for the bias, I have at the cost of my business assisted a number of potential clients to get invalid COCs' rectified.
I gave Mr Bornman the opportunity to do the right thing and because he did not come to the party decided to go to Joburg & get something done. Once there I arranged for him to come onto site. On his arrival I was in the kitchen. I kept a low profile while my nephew pointed out some obvious contraventions. When Mr Bornman turned around and asked my nephew "is the power tripping? Say what YOU want me to fix then I will see", I walked up to him and introduced myself. I informed him that would be unacceptable as my nephew is not a qualified electrician. I then told him that he needed to do a complete inspection and rectify all the faults. After some heated discussion he agreed to do the inspection. The day of the appointment for the inspection came and went. When I called him to reschedule he told me to go ahead and do what I want to, he is not interested in the installation. His inspection fee was R350 and his "repairs" were about R1200 if I recall correctly. If anyone can look at the COC he issued and find no fault then I sincerely hope they are not issueing COCs'.