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  • skatingsparks
    Silver Member

    • Mar 2008
    • 375
    #1

    Battery indoor.

    Hi All

    I'm aware of the building regs on a battery being in a living area. There is no option for outside and no garage.

    I made the client aware of the building reg which has been mentioned of forum and groups etc..

    He basically doesn't care as he needs back up for his wifes with oxygen tank - power goes out - she can't breath.

    He said he will build the required fire wall around it but right now is having bigger issues with his wife turning blue when the power goes off

    The question - in terms of SANS 10142 - wiring regs, not building regs or any other - Can I issue a CoC - IF THE WIRING IS TO STANDARD.

    I have detailed on the quote that he has been informed of building regs and he is happy to sign and accept that (with him being responsible to get the building regs complied with)

    I'm asking can I sign a CoC to say wiring is compliant even if building regs may not be. CoC if for wiring - not building regs

    Yes, I know, I know.... But the woman can't breath. Trying to help out and cover myself.
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    • Isetech
      Platinum Member

      • Mar 2022
      • 2274
      #2
      I take note of these guidlines. Too many people making too much noise about stuff they dont know too much about. Just be very careful of customers, they are best your mate when they need something, when S...h...1...t hits the fan, you dont even see it coming, they turn on you faster than you can tear up a non compliant COC. IF he is that desperate, get a mobile lithium trolley, she will survive

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      Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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        • Isetech
          Platinum Member

          • Mar 2022
          • 2274
          #3
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          Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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            • skatingsparks
              Silver Member

              • Mar 2008
              • 375
              #4
              Hi. Yup. He has a trolley inverter and a generator. Unfortunately cable theft has become a very popular past time in the area. We were have been out for 6 days straight recently.
              I'm just say that by signing a CoC that it complies with SANS 10142 - which is essentially what a CoC is. Wiring Regs have been followed. Doesn't claim to follow building regs. A builder calls me in to check the electrics are up to spec and i call in a buildrer to check building regs are followed (which is kind of hillarious because very sure, they generally are not).
              Besides, if i made the installation mobile connected by plug and socket, does that now make it compliant?

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                • Isetech
                  Platinum Member

                  • Mar 2022
                  • 2274
                  #5
                  If you sign the COC, you are resposible for the components connected to the electrical installation, including the positioning of the components.

                  As I mentioned, take note of the basic guidline attached and I cant see it being a problem, a fire door and habitat ssems to be the buzz words for lithium battery installations.

                  I have spoken to the people who deal with classified areas and the like, I am yet to get a conformed yes or no answer, I think every is pushing the 10400 code for old FLA batteries on social media.

                  Becareful of infomation shared on social media, its like the pub, nobody remembers anything the next day

                  Rather speak to the right people and get the answer in writting.

                  The last hearing we had, were I was told I am an idiot and have no idea what I am doing, I think the person who made the comment didnt realise that I dot the i's and cross my Tees, before I screw a box to the wall or run a 185 mm cable to a motor. that hearing we didnt even get to sit down, when he reliased I had a laptop with all the calcualtion, a document printed out with all the claculation from the transformer to the motor and all the DB's in between.

                  I talk a lot of crap on social media, but when it comes to my job, I am not perfect, but I makes sure I do my homework before I fit a plug to the wall.

                  CYA, make sure you have done your homework, have the documents/claculation etc to back you up, there is not much more you can do.
                  Last edited by Isetech; 19-Jul-23, 04:50 PM.
                  Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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                    • Derlyn
                      Platinum Member

                      • Mar 2019
                      • 1748
                      #6
                      Not many of the regular contributors responding, I notice.

                      I would not hesitate to issue the COC.

                      Special circumstances do crop up from time to time and then one needs to make a decision. Not always easy, but necessary.

                      As far as I'm concerned, you have done what's necessary and if it were me, I wouldn't hesitate.

                      If someone needed to get to hospital in an emergency and there's no ambulance available, would you stick to the 60km/h speed limit or will you put on your hazards, break the law and get them there as quickly as possible.

                      We all know the answer.

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                        • skatingsparks
                          Silver Member

                          • Mar 2008
                          • 375
                          #7
                          Even for my own house, I'm putting the battery indoors. Personally more worried about what will jump over my fence when the lights don't work and alarm battery is flat than I am worried about a lithium fire.

                          For a client, I try to follow the rules to the letter.

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                            • Isetech
                              Platinum Member

                              • Mar 2022
                              • 2274
                              #8
                              You must do what you think is right, only you will be held responsible for your decisions and actions.





                              Originally posted by skatingsparks
                              Even for my own house, I'm putting the battery indoors. Personally more worried about what will jump over my fence when the lights don't work and alarm battery is flat than I am worried about a lithium fire.

                              For a client, I try to follow the rules to the letter.
                              Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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                                • Derlyn
                                  Platinum Member

                                  • Mar 2019
                                  • 1748
                                  #9
                                  The user or lessor is responsible for the installation.

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                                    • Isetech
                                      Platinum Member

                                      • Mar 2022
                                      • 2274
                                      #10
                                      Agreed, and if they take reposiblity for the electrical installation they will use a registered contractor and rely on you as the qulaified person with the correct skills to perform the task at hand.

                                      Originally posted by Derlyn
                                      The user or lessor is responsible for the installation.
                                      Comments are my opinion, unless regulations are attached to support the comment. This is social media, not a court room.

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                                        • Derlyn
                                          Platinum Member

                                          • Mar 2019
                                          • 1748
                                          #11
                                          Agreed and if you have informed them of certain defects and they accept responsibility as is the case here, then the responsibility falls squarly back onto their shoulders. Remember, there were special circumstances in this case.

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                                            • skatingsparks
                                              Silver Member

                                              • Mar 2008
                                              • 375
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Isetech
                                              Agreed, and if they take reposiblity for the electrical installation they will use a registered contractor and rely on you as the qulaified person with the correct skills to perform the task at hand.
                                              Thats kind of what I wanted clarity on. I have skill set, all teh tols and testing equipoment to do the install, to the letter, of SANS 10142.

                                              I haven't found anywhere in SANS 10142 thats says I can't have a battery indoors.

                                              I have advised the client of what I know from building regs - the implications etc.

                                              Also from his side, he works in and office where nearly every desk has a mini UPS under it. 100's of them in fact.

                                              And like I said, he has bigger problems with his wifes health issues.

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