6 Amp socket outlet and plugtop.

[Derlyn]

Question.

Lighting circuit. Wired with 1,5mm wire. 15 Amp circuit breaker. So far, so good.

There's an extractor fan in bathroom wired in parrallel with bathroom light. No isolator for fan.

Plan is to install an end box with 6A socket outlet and fit a plugtop on fan chord.

My question is ...... one now has a socket outlet rated at 6 Amps protected by a 15A circuit breaker.

Acceptable ?

[Dylboy]

I would say yes as most lighting circuits where the 6A is used is fed off a 15A. I mean even our normal 16A sockets are fed from a 20A CB

One thing to also check is if the 6A needs to be on ELU, I don't think so but worth a check

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[Dylboy]

6.14.1.5 A lighting circuit that incorporates 6 A or 16 A partially dedicated
socket-outlets socket-outlets in accordance with 6.14.1.4 shall be protected
by a circuit-breaker of not exceeding 20 A.

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[Derlyn]

Thank you, brother.
That's the reg I needed.

As far as ELU is concerned, in all my years I have never wired lights through ELU, however, that is changing because of the ceiling fan issue. I have yet to see a ceiling fan wired through a double pole isolator that is within arms reach of the fan, so we now just wire the lights through the ELU in order to take care of that one.

[Isetech]

6.14.1.5 A lighting circuit that incorporates 6 A or 16 A partially dedicated
socket-outlets socket-outlets in accordance with 6.14.1.4 shall be protected
by a circuit-breaker of not exceeding 20 A.

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We need more youngsters who are learning from this forum, to start getting actively involved and posting responses like this.

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[Dylboy]

Thank you, brother.
That's the reg I needed.

As far as ELU is concerned, in all my years I have never wired lights through ELU, however, that is changing because of the ceiling fan issue. I have yet to see a ceiling fan wired through a double pole isolator that is within arms reach of the fan, so we now just wire the lights through the ELU in order to take care of that one.

Pleasure Uncle

Yeah these fans with lights and ELU and isolators is quite a pain, especially when there is a N and E fault on the circuit hahah.

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[Dylboy]

We need more youngsters who are learning from this forum, to start getting actively involved and posting responses like this.

If one person smiles, its starts rubbing off on everyone

100% agreed ! In sport if you play with people better than you you raise your own game too. Also as you say a smile is contagious

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[Dylboy]

GCE inspires me a bit with his quick reg finding and understanding. I have now put my book in the car as well to use aswell as I have the PDF to quick search. I find a book I have all my notes so extra handy

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[Derlyn]

2 socket outlet questions.

1)

6.15.2.1 says that unless otherwise allowed in SANS 10142, socket outlets rated at less than 16A may not be used in an electrical installation.

I am aware that according to 6.14.1.4 and 6.14.1.5 they can be used in lighting circuits.

Without having to read through the whole book, are there any other applications where a 6A socket outlet is allowed ?


2) Are there any regulations stating that a metal socket outlet must be used for certain applications in a domestic installation ?

I have someone that insists that the under counter plug for hi's gas stove must be metal. I cannot find anything in SANS regarding this.

[GCE]

Without having to read through the whole book, are there any other applications where a 6A socket outlet is allowed ?

Is allowed under 6.16.4.3 for extraction fans on a Luminaire circuit -
There used to be a statement made or an interruption that said luminaires only and I think it came from 6.14.1.4b - feeds one luminaire only

6.16.4.3 Extraction fans
Where an extraction fan supply is switched with a luminaire, it shall be
connected to the switched portion of the light circuit, provided that the fan
circuit is connected by means of a SANS 164-3 or SANS 164-2-1 or
SANS 164-2-2 socket-outlet or a switch disconnector.

6.14.1.4 In a lighting circuit, a luminaire that is in a false ceiling or in a roof
space 4 m above the floor where there is no ceiling, or in a floor cavity, or in a
wall cavity, or in a similar position, may be fed from a socket-outlet which may
be unswitched and not protected by earth leakage protection, provided that
the socket-outlet
a) complies with SANS 164-3 or SANS 164-2-1 (PD-D type),
b) supplies one luminaire only, not exceeding the rating of the socket-outlet,
c) is accessible for maintenance purposes, and
d) is within 3 m of the luminaire that it supplies.

2) Are there any regulations stating that a metal socket outlet must be used for certain applications in a domestic installation ?

I have someone that insists that the under counter plug for hi's gas stove must be metal. I cannot find anything in SANS regarding this.

I have never seen that particular statement in the regulations - There was a statement made at one stage by the gas guys that any socket around an oven/hob must be metal but that was an opinion and not written anywhere in Electrical or gas regs

[Derlyn]

@GCE

Thank you, brother. Much appreciated.

Regarding the metal plug .... that must be hi's well referred electricians opinion then. Hi's electrician also has a couple of other personal opinions that are in conflict with SANS 10142-3, but they were cleared up easily using the book in my favour.

Once again, thank you.

[Firepool]

We have had big fights about 5 amp plugs as isolaters for extractor fans . Some say it needs to be visible which in most cases impossible . Any idea on that

[Derlyn]

The motor and connection to a domestic extractor fan (the type used in a bathroom or toilet) are above the ceiling in the attic. The isolator should be in the same space ie. In the attic.