RCBOs?

[ians]

I pay R460 for a DB complete with a main switch...60 amp e/l unit... 20 amp geyser combo...40 amp stove...2 x plugs and 2 x lights circuit breakers ... R 360 is a bit steep for 1 x unit... cant say i have ever seen a swan product in a DB.

[Justloadit]

Thanks for the heads up, Dave.
Lekker for geyser circuits.

Now to see who stocks them.

Cheers and peace out ... Derek

Check here, stock available locally.

https://www.mantech.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?Item=372M2044-X

Call and negotiate a price.

[Frans400]

Did anybody used the swan earth leakage/circuit breaker before and what are they like?

[Lofti]

RCBOs

I've given up trying to find them here and I've been importing my own for a good while. http://www.theforumsa.co.za/forums/s...ier-for-RCBO-s

Hey Andy

Where do you import your RCBOs from. Been using them in the uk and I rate they are the way forward. Moving back to the SA soon so was just wondering where you import them from.

Thanks in advance
Jared

[AndyD]

I have someone in the UK purchase them and send them over. I've bought from Edmonsons and CEF in the past but I've never tried to get the wholesalers to ship direct.

There are limited options available here with the Swan units mentioned above but unfortunately not much else.

[ians]

SA hasnt even caught onto RCBO's and the new rage mcb is the AFDD (arc fault detection device) ... with built in RCBO.

If you have rows of old 5 ft fittings ... an AFDD is a must ... I smelt a burning smell in my workshop last week ... but couldnt pin point wher ethe smell was coming from ... nex tthing there was a lot of sparks ...smoke a bang ... but nothing tripped ... it turns out one of the ballasts cooked ... quickly rewired and replaced all of them with LED lamps ... I must say the workshop doesnt look that much brighter ... I was expecting a huge improvement ...

[Frans400]

Work in progress. So far the swan earth leakage circuit breaker are doing great. They already helped me to pinpoint out a microwave that caused the entire house to loose power before the multi earth leakage setup.

[Frans400]

On the arc fault detection device, are there any reason why we cant install one unit to monitor the entire installation?

[Lofti]

Work in progress. So far the swan earth leakage circuit breaker are doing great. They already helped me to pinpoint out a microwave that caused the entire house to loose power before the multi earth leakage setup.

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Nice to see RCBO being used in SA. They make fault finding way easier.

[AndyD]

Some news.

Attending an ECA meeting in Durban yesterday, Swan Electric had this little beauty on show.

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30 mA residual current protection.
Currently available in 16A, 20A & 32A overcurrent protection and a fault current rating of 4.5kA
List price of R360.00

If your wholesaler doesn't have it in stock soon, let Swan Electric know or steer the wholesaler their way.

Has anyone dealt direct with Swan as a company? I've emailed their technical department twice in the past 2 weeks asking for product info but alas no reply.....

[ians]

Check with Mantech ... Swan is in the same building as mantech in Durban and I noticed they now sell swan products.

[Frans400]

I use swan Pretoria or Johannesburg instead of mantech because mantceh personnel newer replie to an email.

I think i paid R209 per swan rcbo, can remember if it was inclusive of vat.

Something you should keep in mind, according to one of my fellow electrician is that each swan rcbo need it own isolator/disconnector, he wasn't able to show me were it was stated in the sans regulations, but other times i tell me other electrician that they not allowed to do certain things were he is correct but then hes not able to show them were its stated in the standards.
If anyone can confirm if he is correct or incorrect it would be appreciated.

Here is the link if you want to try mantech online shop

https://mantech.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?Item=372M2044-X

[GCE]

Something you should keep in mind, according to one of my fellow electrician is that each swan rcbo need it own isolator/disconnector, he wasn't able to show me were it was stated in the sans regulations, but other times i tell me other electrician that they not allowed to do certain things were he is correct but then hes not able to show them were its stated in the standards.
If anyone can confirm if he is correct or incorrect it would be appreciated.

Here is the link if you want to try mantech online shop
https://mantech.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?Item=372M2044-X

I cannot think of anything in the regulations that stipulate's an Isolator in front of the ELU - According to the specification it is overload protected ( 10,20,32 Amp versions) and is double pole

On a isolator type ELU without overload protection you would need to install a C/breaker of suitable size to protect the ELU


ADL8-63N series RCCB (with overload protection) applies to AC 50Hz, rated voltage 240V for 2 poles, 415V for
4poles, rated current up to 63A

[ians]

I think what they are talking about is the islolating properties of the unit ... for example a 63 amp earth leakage can be used as a main switch and so can most double pole or triple pole circuit breakers (an expensive way to isolate a DB ... hence the geyser combo unit for example) ... I dont see why you want isloating properties for an RCBO being used to replace a cuircuit breaker ... unless you plan to use it as a lockable DB isolator.

[fanievh]

First post here. Very informative site and clued up people. Most of the RCBOs seem to comply with IEC 61009-1 (including the Swan RCBOs). What is the equivalent SANS standard as I'm not able to find a SANS 61009-1? Or to cut to the chase, if a RCBO complies to IEC 61009-1, can it be used as per SANS 10142-1?