Inspection report

[Leecatt]

I find that very interesting Dave. Thanks I'll look into it on the next few days

[ians]

Just to add fuel, no juntion boxes are permitted in zone 0 - 1 - 2. So if you install a light on the wall you have to run surfix or twin + E directly to the light without a junction box, because in theory a round box behind the fitting would be classified as a junction box.

Thanks to everyone contributing to this thread, i think i have just saved myself future complications. It made me read the black book (SANS) and i found some other things which needed attention with regards to the job i am busy with a present in the bathroom. Discussed it with the customer who agrees with me and will make suitable adjustments to overcome the problems.

[ACEsterhuizen]

Dave, i have to break a nervous smile here...because it is all there in Section 9..... it says it has to comply "with the general safety principles of such standard" only.

[Dave A]

it says it has to comply "with the general safety principles of such standard" only.

Just point me to a definition of "the general safety principles" in either the installation regulations or in SANS 10124-1 and I'll be a happy man

Second prize would be a definition from someone of authority - such as the Chief Inspector (DoL).

[ACEsterhuizen]

Just point me to a definition of "the general safety principles" in either the installation regulations or in SANS 10124-1 and I'll be a happy man

Second prize would be a definition from someone of authority - such as the Chief Inspector (DoL).

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" 5 Fundamental requirements
NOTE This clause contains the general safety principles applicable to electrical
installations. Amdt 5
5.1 Safety
5.1.1 Live parts
It shall not be possible to......"

[Dave A]

So we agree we have to apply section 5 of SANS 10124-1 only (and such parts of the code referenced from within section 5 - e.g. main switch) when it comes to issuing a COC on an existing electrical installation.

So now back to our open light fitting in the bathroom. According to sec. 7.1 we can't have it in there, but that falls outside of section 5

[ACEsterhuizen]

And also, what exactly is an "existing installation"?

[david2677]

The person who does the work should certify his/her workmanship, the fault reports is a recommendation for corrective measures that need to be instituted. That's my understanding of how its meant to be

[Dave A]

And also, what exactly is an "existing installation"?

One that you haven't just installed yourself.

[ians]

Anyone know where i can find a ip 55 light for a bathroom as per requirements for zone 1? That doesnt look like crap.

[Justloadit]

I purchased this one recently from Radiant which includes a fan

[ians]

Sorry i should have specified, wall mounted unit.

[Justloadit]

Best is to talk to a Radiant or a Eurolux distributor.

[DieterT]

Can't believe I missed this topic.

Lots of interesting point of views and also interesting point Dave brings up.
From my point of view, the regs needs to be taken as a hole and not just one section and on the CoC at Section 4.13(b) it says i.e. section 5 of SANS 10142-1 thus saying to me that the rest of the regs needs also to comply.
Separate to that point which I will try and get an answer from the AIA, back to the question about the inspection report.

When a client contacts me in regards to a CoC I tell them that I first do an inspection based on issuing a CoC. Should everything comply I issue a CoC.
Should some small things be found it is communicated with the client and repaired on site (if not to large of an expense)
CoC is only issued once monies are paid in full (yes I do know you are not allowed to retain the CoC if no monies paid, but hey one have to have some form of bartering thus if client does not want to pay I was never there and he has to go through the same process with the next guy)

Ok so say lots of problems found I then invoice for the inspection and when monies paid in full I send the client a detailed quotation where I also clearly stipulate that should another contractor preform repairs a detailed inspection will have to be done again and the contractor needs to issue a CoC for any changes he has made.
So my workers preform the repairs once the quotation is excepted and deposit paid with my general control and I also then do the final visual inspection on their repairs and the necessary test (which probably would change with major repairs)

FYI, one cannot do the inspection give a report have another contractor come and do the work, come back and give a CoC. This defies the requirements of general control from the registered person. On the other hand, the contractor who implements to repairs needs to be properly registered in order to do electrical installation work as defined in the EIR so then why would this person not issue the CoC.
To strange...