Vista sucks forum

[Marq]

My Toshiba laptop, that I raved about in the past died this past easter weekend. It did not come back to life. Only two years old and out on the erubbish goods pile already

I was reminded while shopping around for a new one, that I need to have a machine that has vista business on board for networking and server stuff. The choices are few off the shelf unless one wants to spend another R3k on upgrades for this option.

So made a selection brought it home and tried for two days to get my new machine looking like the old one. Much frustration and cursing.

So then thought....mmmm....forgot about the 'downgrade' to XP option. So reformatted and started again - with xp on board.

A few hours later my machine looks like the old one - runs like a dream for all my software and I haven't had one argument with it yet.

I have battled with vista for the past two years, unable to use the xp option because Toshiba machines are only set to take vista os. It become like a tamed dragon where you operate in an unconscious way manoeuvring and manipulating every day to get it right, not thinking that there must be a better way.

I have been freed to do some real work now....hasta la Vista Meester Gates.

[garthu]

Now this thread is going to be popular!

Now lets see where to start... oh so many options.. get my list
My icons deleted, no done that... my Outlook not working on Vista... no to long, constantly choosing it's own network, even though hours go into correctly setting up manuals and autos and order... memory issues... kids cant run half there games... run as XP has NEVER worked once...

In a nutshell my Vista cost me a fortune in new or upgraded software..

Tired now... going to find something positive.. Nice move downgrading! Back it up now to DVD. I lost my downgrade option (which i originally got with the machine) when i crashed my machine to a virus. Wanted me to pay for it!!

[twinscythe12332]

guess I did the intelligent thing and went ultimate. I've only had a few games give me hassles, but that was mainly my own fault. the rest, from office all the way to the built in speech recognition, has been fine. and XP is still under widows, so you're still paying him

[insulin]

Ah yes dare we say that Vista the all new all powerful OS from MS is actually being programmed by demons down under in the never-worlds of fire and brimstone? Yes we are because it is really that bad... Vista was originally designed for the supper rich in mind. Knowing that half of your software would be incompatible was part of the plan to force the user to upgrade to new programs so that to become a real world scenario. In all Vista is unforgiving and it eats your GPU, CPU, RAM and HDD so why is it being forced down to the end user?

That fact is Win XP is gold once you get to run it properly there is really nothing wrong with it. Still we end up with Vista so you learn how to use the monster. Slowly disabling processes, security measures and painfully downloading all the updates eating your 3g bundle as it just gorge itself. Then you turn of the update system and by cleverly rewriting the registry you keep it off. Now after a few blue-screen and a few reinstallations you get the Vista monster to obey you and accept you as its master!

You upgrade your software and once all of this is done... You found that you made a deal with the Vista devil that stares at you with its pretty face. Yes it did was programmed by demons and brought to life by clever marketing campaigns but it is not evil.

Once you get to know the beast for what it is and realize that you can change its nature by taking the time to Google and read you will find a tame piece of code that is willing to accept you as its master.

[garthu]

Insulin i must say that you writing often puts a smile... it's never dull and always got a story of reference - the devil done vista... like that!

[Frankincense]

@ Twinscythe .... I like your understanding of the Vista OS.

Ok fine...so we criticised XP...but used it...then Vista...but used it....only thing is...we will even criticise Win 7 for needing even more resources...you may ask "what's next"..."what's the ultimate goal?"...but use it....and finally our own chips....and be engulfed by it....yes...Satan....You gotta love him!!!(sarcasm)

In order for us all to behave civil...under these circumstances...we should actually create a thread called "Vista Rocks"...and tell flesh how great it is compared to the archaic XP that needs hardly any resources to run it's pathetic appearing self as we continue into a future we claim not to have known about nor prepared for or are disappointed with concerning the escalation in resource usage and costs involved...lmao....

Oh well...had 64bit Ultimate for 2 years...not a single problem...as expected...

My condolences to all the XP fans & peeps that were disappointed by Vista...WTF???

Ciao

[Dave A]

I still lean towards the theory that the systematic urge to re-invent MS operating systems is to drive software sales. Could the benefits of Vista over XP, such as they are, not be achieved by upgrading the XP platform? - or at least without rendering so much other software redundant?

[insulin]

The truth is Dave... it was... Once you get to know Vista it really does bring a lot of toys to the table and some old software may prohibit it from functioning correctly. I myself is a Die Hard XP fan but that is because I know it intimately.

Vista on the other hand is new to me however I sat with it nurtured it and allow it to show me what it is capable of and it is a powerful OS and dare I say it... a stable platform.

But you really need to learn its secrets and let me tell you Vista’s functionality is scary once you fully understand it. I don’t know... I still remember when we had to use Policy editor on windows 98 to get is security up and running.

[Dave A]

Yeah! Just one of my more cynical moments maybe.

That and a frustration with the transition compatability issues that come with these changes.

[insulin]

I never said Vista was easy... and you can do a compatibility check “Google it� before you install Vista. Secondly I will not help a single person with Vista problems because they need to “Google it� and learn through trial and error. Yes I will help them if the problem is a bit nasty. The reason is that if you learn the hard-way you will get to know it better because the user must take an active interest in Vista. Spoon feeding is over because Vista is powerful and the user need to know how to use it properly otherwise they will have so much trouble with it that they might as well downgrade back to XP... It is time to learn... I am learning new things about Vista every-day and when the money is right I will do an advance course in Vista because this thing has a nuclear powered code driving it.

[twinscythe12332]

@Insulin: hahahaha, I don't doubt they have a room in microsoft with a 100 acolytes all praying while virgins are sacrificed to the darkness below. oh and tortilla tuesdays.

the thing that gets my eye twitching is when people refer to their lousy home version of vista as "vista." microsoft has even admitted that the home and some other version a little higher up are pretty lousy, but it gets better as you go up. whether that's because you spend more on hardware or not, who knows. when I bought my new PC, my old PC sat dormant. this thing had a gig of ram and a 2.66 ghz pentium 4, with a 40GB hard drive. I installed vista on it, and it ran happily. opening folders and such took a little longer, but we're talking only just noticeable. I've put vista's usage of memory to between 22-33% of memory(on a REASONABLE RAM size, 1-2GB), and as you add programs, so the figures climb. with XP it was recommended you format and re-install every 6 months or so to maintain performance. I recently had to re-install my vista (new mobo gave my bootsect.bak crap), and there is possibly a second or two difference between my old install and this one. My grandad's PC battles to start up XP, and it has had an upgrade 0_0.

a few of my suggestions for when running vista:
installing it on any machine that has an integrated graphics chipset is not going to help you. integrated graphics is the biggest gimmick ever, and I would personally like to shoot the person who decided it was okay to steal RAM to act as "graphics."
most basic graphics cards these days will give you a boost. I would liken the difference between using integrated graphics and moving up to a DDR2 256MB card as putting a turbo on. if the rest of your machine is a "1.4" or lower, it doesn't make an astounding difference. but if you're running a "1.6" or up, it can be seen.
DDR2 is the name of the game. 667Mhz and up. 2GB is GOOD, 4GB is BETTER, anything above that is AWESOME.
don't buy a celeron. ever. don't even look in their direction. celeron M for laptops I'll wince and maybe give you the okay if it's above 2.0GHz, but otherwise no.
vista ultimate. nuff said.

when buying a PC it is extremely difficult to put a value on how it is helping your business. it's obvious that you don't need a high end super machine when all you're doing is writing emails to the customers. but what I do know is that frustration and waiting means your time isn't optimised.
some clear signs you need an upgrade:
you can switch your PC on, go make a cup of coffee, come back, maybe wait, maybe start a quick game of cards while your hard drive light blinks to oblivion.

you often open up a document twice because you think you didn't double click it the first time.

you wait more than 2 seconds for a folder to open.

you have to shovel coal in every 15 minutes to keep it running

these go for either of the OSes.

XP doesn't require the memory that vista does, runs older programs and has a simpler interface. But vista optimises more efficiently, has an awesome search and built in speech recognition(that sort of software normally costs a pretty penny anyway).
I'm not going to bullsh*t you and say get vista just cos it's the new thing. if you're doing emails, word processing, basic day to day functions, then it may be worth more to you to be operating something that doesn't require massive resources because you won't be using them most of the time anyway.
But if you're constantly puzzling about where that one file is, have a program that needs to be run, but needs a fair chunk of resource *cough visual studio cough cough* and want something shinier (yes, I know, I'm a whore for the good looking 'uns), then go vista. ultimate.

[Marq]

this thing has a nuclear powered code driving it

Maybe so - but the machinery then in relation is still steam driven.
And why should I be forced to upgrade a piece of software that will still give the same functionality?
And what happened to at least having a decent option to go with leading edge technology rather than being forced down the bleeding edge path?
And why did MS take so long to bring out a SP to fix an endless array of problems?
And why are we going to see win7 coming up instead of vista ver 2?
I think a vista rocks platform is similar to comparing death metal rock (the vista option) with rock and roll (the xp / unix option). Theres only a few hardened followers who just seem to say they like it just to be difficult and to challenge the establishment.

[twinscythe12332]

or maybe they've just found something everyone else is blind to (some death metal bands are actually pretty good, my particular favourite would be dimmu borgir). oh and with less than 1%, unix is the "black sheep" of the family.

[Dave A]

.. then go vista. ultimate.

And for the record, just what does Vista Ultimate cost?

[twinscythe12332]

I got my copy for 1899 from PC zone