Children get first mobile at average age of 8

[Frankincense]

@Duncan
"why would anyone want to track you or even care where you are "
It's about CONTROL & Money Duncan. There are many Business people who need to stay in control and develop the level of control too to maximise profit. The more control you have over your "clients", the better for your pocket.....and once I have total control over a large group of "clients" through access codes and passwords, and focus on aligning all my business accross coutries, I'll have total control wrt financial/buying affairs, thus being able to manipulate the group much more easily than purley through the media and creating events. It's the primary reason why all these tracking systems are rising. It's business as usual, but taken to the next level.

Have all your staff on a grid, and control thier life with what they can and cannot have. "Greed" would be another way of describing the reason for the events we see happening.

@Dave
"does the cellphone being tracked have to authorise the tracking?" Yes Dave, the owner needs to give consent.

Although, your service provider, with a court order, may track you to within meters if they recieve a "legitimate" request, and that would be without your permission on the grounds of "suspicion of fraud".

Still some time to enjoy your privacy while it lasts....

[Dave A]

Still some time to enjoy your privacy while it lasts....

A least as long as we have an independant judiciary

I guess we could all just throw away our cellphones

[duncan drennan]

Still some time to enjoy your privacy while it lasts....

What I'm struggling to understand is that if you seriously believe all this stuff, why are you connected to the internet and why do you have a cell phone (which is connected to Vodacom's The Grid)?

[Frankincense]

We choose to live in mainstream society and partake in it's code, or we enter exile...it's just a simple choice Duncan("The green or the blue pill" Bru - like in The Matrix), however, I will not allow myself to deceive myself that "all this stuff" is NOT REAL, just because it's hard to swallow or because I want to believe in a "comfortable fairy tale type existence" (there are some who do this....) There are those who will for example accept the mark, and those who will reject it...some will accept for convenience sake, and couldn't care about the religious implications, and others will reject it out of religious convictions...

The word "exile" above refers to Dave's statement concerning throwing away one's cell phones (One should actually start with closing all one's bank accounts and getting rid of your ID CODE book)..., but yes...Dave...that's how exile starts...people get fed up with what they have accepted, and so choose to reject it eventually. There is however a price to pay. I'm not prepared to pay that price Duncan. The day I am, I'll take Dave up on his suggestion. I did it before...but that's a long story.

[insulin]

It is call triangulation and it is spot on accurate. See you have 3 mobile phone towers. The first tower pings your phone and calculate signal strength then the second tower does the same followed by the third. Phone towers do this all the time because your phone needs to stay connected right so... With a little bit of tech and basic knowledge of signal attenuation you can work out how close you are to closest tower and thus you get a radius around that tower. Now with the other two towers you can calculate the direction of the signal and if the signal is moving or not. This gives you point of possession and this system is used by military today... It is simple math really but now you will probably tell me that our systems cannot do this... I am not even going there because the tech support that I used to talk to while installing RBS systems could measure me accurately within an arm length. The only difference is we used a special phone given to us. It was a Nokia 3G phone with video call. The tech support hat special permission to do these test because they needed to know if the signal array was working or not. But ja what ever...

[twinscythe12332]

It is call triangulation and it is spot on accurate. See you have 3 mobile phone towers. The first tower pings your phone and calculate signal strength then the second tower does the same followed by the third. Phone towers do this all the time because your phone needs to stay connected right so... With a little bit of tech and basic knowledge of signal attenuation you can work out how close you are to closest tower and thus you get a radius around that tower. Now with the other two towers you can calculate the direction of the signal and if the signal is moving or not. This gives you point of possession and this system is used by military today... It is simple math really but now you will probably tell me that our systems cannot do this... I am not even going there because the tech support that I used to talk to while installing RBS systems could measure me accurately within an arm length. The only difference is we used a special phone given to us. It was a Nokia 3G phone with video call. The tech support hat special permission to do these test because they needed to know if the signal array was working or not. But ja what ever...

sounds about right.
it's spot on as long as you have the three towers and good signal with all. thus triangulation in cities works pretty well. however, when you start losing towers, the area where you could be does become bigger.

[insulin]

This is true, however with a single tower I will still be able to work out a radius and can still workout the distance and depending on the antenna type it is possible to still work out direction and travelling speed. cool stuff.

[Loman]

Aw shucks, it looks like i'll have to go back to payphones if i need to contact the other members regarding our plot to assassinate the king. Damn.

[twinscythe12332]

<paranoia> but then they'll know which payphone you're using 0_0. they'll get there within minutes. our plan shall be foiled!!!! </paranoia>

there's always going to be some way to track a person down. unless you manage to create your own communications device with a different type of encryption.

[insulin]

Yes the humble payphone, people tend to forget about them. Unlike other countries these pieces of kit saved more lives and help more people than any other device back in the old days. However I will say that you better keep a bottle of disinfectant with you and a few disposable wipes. The public phone is filthy! But we are so far of topic now...

[Dave A]

...if the public phone is working! At least that used to be the big problem with public phones. And they're not always there when you want them.

But we are so far of topic now...

Not really - we're just getting to the other side of the coin

[insulin]

As far as know, public phones is actually easy to trace. Most of the working phones can be found at banks, malls and casinos. The reason for this is that these phones are in secure arias with security cameras. Secondly it is of note that most criminals don’t use landlines because they use coded text aka coded SMS. One word will have another meaning that kind of thing. It is not a new system but it is effective. But I find it interesting that the art of deception is so widely unknown by most people.

A Capital “L” can stand for 3:00 AM or 3:00 PM. If you got the message: C D @ Lam. It works out to “C = see” “D = first letter of nickname or name like Dave” “@ = at” and "Lam = 3:00 AM"

A more complicated code exist but then it comes down to your decode key. Once you had the key you can decode stuff. The letter 1 can have full sentence connected to it and you my never no because you don’t have the decode key. Fun stuff to play with.

[insulin]

Also on a paranoid note imagine children using this system on mobile chat programs. Mom and Dad will think they are having an innocent conversation but actually it is all code for organizing the next party.

[twinscythe12332]

hahaha it's already happening dude. go up to a nearby parent and ask them if they know what wtf, wth, idk, omg, omfg, roflmao and the list goes on.

[insulin]

Yes well that stuff is common practice I am talking about proper code but I don’t want to give up anymore examples because I might end up on someone’s list. But ok you get the picture. See a friend of mine was heavy into privacy and her journal was written in Klingon you know the ugly dude’s in Star Trek... So yes don’t be fooled there are many ways to do this.