Has Degree.. Is unemployed...

[Random Hero]

Hi,

I have a BBA: Marketing Management Degree which I obtained from the IMMGSM.
I worked for 6 months last year doing an internship, but my contacted ended and for the last 5 months I have had no luck finding a job.

My interests are marketing research, marketing strategy and brand strategy.

I am I white male.. I have had no luck or responses from any corporates. I am not having much luck with recruitment agencies..

Can you guys give me some tips on starting a career.

[flaker]

Whatever it is, don't despair. You need that fire inside you to fight,to persevere,to remain focused. When these things are missing it's far more difficult,nearly impossible I continue saying this to my 25 year old son. He has a B.Comm (Economics) degree and has never had employment, nor even an internship.

And he's not even white.

[HR Solutions]

Hi,

I have a BBA: Marketing Management Degree which I obtained from the IMMGSM.
I worked for 6 months last year doing an internship, but my contacted ended and for the last 5 months I have had no luck finding a job.

My interests are marketing research, marketing strategy and brand strategy.

I am I white male.. I have had no luck or responses from any corporates. I am not having much luck with recruitment agencies..

Can you guys give me some tips on starting a career.

My suggestion is get a proper professional CV and send it to every Recruitment agency out there. Tell them the areas you would prefer to work in based on where you live. Tell them what position you are applying for. If they have anything they will contact you. Unfortunately the market is flooded with people who have marketing degrees. We might have something for you depending on your cv. Send me a pm and I will reply back with my e mail address for you to send your cv to.

[Dave A]

Can you guys give me some tips on starting a career.

People that can sell rarely stay unemployed for very long.

It means starting at the bottom, and having to deal with rejection - but it's one hell of a school of hard knocks that earns respect where it counts if you're made of the right stuff...

[Random Hero]

Whatever it is, don't despair. You need that fire inside you to fight,to persevere,to remain focused. When these things are missing it's far more difficult,nearly impossible I continue saying this to my 25 year old son. He has a B.Comm (Economics) degree and has never had employment, nor even an internship.

And he's not even white.

Thank you for the motivating words flacker. I am also 25 this year, born in 1990. what is your sons contingency plan?

[Random Hero]

People that can sell rarely stay unemployed for very long.

It means starting at the bottom, and having to deal with rejection - but it's one hell of a school of hard knocks that earns respect where it counts if you're made of the right stuff...

Hi Dave, I have never sold before. I do not think I have the guts to sell products to people by means of manipulating them to buy stuff they do not need. if there is a need for the product, I think then I might be able to sell.

[Dave A]

I do not think I have the guts to sell products to people by means of manipulating them to buy stuff they do not need.

But you're prepared to develop and manage marketing campaigns that do just that?
(Just asking / giving you some food for thought).

[flaker]

Thank you for the motivating words flacker. I am also 25 this year, born in 1990. what is your sons contingency plan?

Saw him rush to the Police Station intending to get a police clearance. Needs that to apply to teach English in Korea or China.Thats what i think he now intends to do. But intentions keep changing each week.

[Random Hero]

But you're prepared to develop and manage marketing campaigns that do just that?
(Just asking / giving you some food for thought).

I thing developing these strategies are a bit different then selling off to someone... at the end of the day, these people make the decision to purchase products. Where as hard selling/direct selling is, I feel intrusive and people just give in after hearing you talk a lot, ending up regretting there purchase.

[HR Solutions]

I thing developing these strategies are a bit different then selling off to someone... at the end of the day, these people make the decision to purchase products. Where as hard selling/direct selling is, I feel intrusive and people just give in after hearing you talk a lot, ending up regretting there purchase.

I dont agree with you at all. Everybody wants/needs to buy things from clothes to cell phones. The person that is going to sell the best way etc and motivate me to buy a product and is good at his job will get the sale. You have just sent me you cv - You really should not be saying this, because we have to give the right cv's to our clients and if you are not really into marketing, which is selling at the end of the day, then you are perhaps in the wrong field. This is perhaps why you are having "no luck" finding a job. Perhaps your feeling / attitude towards marketing/sales etc is showing in interviews or phone calls etc and you are turning potential employers off.

[Random Hero]

I dont agree with you at all. Everybody wants/needs to buy things from clothes to cell phones. The person that is going to sell the best way etc and motivate me to buy a product and is good at his job will get the sale. You have just sent me you cv - You really should not be saying this, because we have to give the right cv's to our clients and if you are not really into marketing, which is selling at the end of the day, then you are perhaps in the wrong field. This is perhaps why you are having "no luck" finding a job. Perhaps your feeling / attitude towards marketing/sales etc is showing in interviews or phone calls etc and you are turning potential employers off.

I think I might have given the wrong impression. I feel that I do not have the ability to sell fish hooks wrapped in tinfoil as diamond earnings. this is what a salesman should do I think. I love doing the behind the curtains marketing.
The only time that I would do sales is, if there is a demand for the product or if I have a product that is more suprior to what the business client is already using. also rather B2B then B2C..

[Random Hero]

I dont agree with you at all. Everybody wants/needs to buy things from clothes to cell phones. The person that is going to sell the best way etc and motivate me to buy a product and is good at his job will get the sale. You have just sent me you cv - You really should not be saying this, because we have to give the right cv's to our clients and if you are not really into marketing, which is selling at the end of the day, then you are perhaps in the wrong field. This is perhaps why you are having "no luck" finding a job. Perhaps your feeling / attitude towards marketing/sales etc is showing in interviews or phone calls etc and you are turning potential employers off.

If you can organise a sales position where they actually learn me how it works, then I will be willing to try it. but these advertisements that promise this utopia by saying "You could ear up to 30 000 rand for just doing 5 hours work a day" you know those companies are very dodgy.

[HR Solutions]

I have a BBA: Marketing Management Degree which I obtained from the IMMGSM.

You have this degree, but don't want to do sales and want to be taught how it works and then be "willing" to give it a try, and don't like sales ! ?
Tell me honestly Charl - how many companies do you think will do this and if so what do you think they will pay ?
And
What would make you stand out to a potential employer - what have you got that he wants ?

[Random Hero]

You have this degree, but don't want to do sales and want to be taught how it works and then be "willing" to give it a try, and don't like sales ! ?
Tell me honestly Charl - how many companies do you think will do this and if so what do you think they will pay ?
And
What would make you stand out to a potential employer - what have you got that he wants ?

Kevin, I just do not believe that I have the aptitude to convince someone to buy a product that they do not need. I studied this degree because I would like to be a market analyst for a reputable company. I enjoy market research, brand management, marketing management. I am a easy going person and I can easily talk to people. I have been told by people that I am likeable with first impressions and poeple enjoy talking to me.

An like I said if I could be mentored and trained in sales then I would be willing to give it a shot because I am unfamiliar with the field.

I am willing to learn, I can adapt easily, I work hard, I am a perfectionist so i get it done right. and I am a nice person. I have skills in market research, I can present this research. I can develop marketing strategies and brand strategies.

[Dave A]

I guess we all see things differently. I'll leave you to sort out where this sequence went with Kevin and what he sees in it. My angle is in a rather different direction.

So far we have:

I do not think I have the guts to sell products to people by means of manipulating them to buy stuff they do not need.

I picked on this particular aspect in your thinking because I doubt it's the real obstacle, and asked:

But you're prepared to develop and manage marketing campaigns that do just that?
(Just asking / giving you some food for thought).

To which you reply:

I thing developing these strategies are a bit different then selling off to someone... at the end of the day, these people make the decision to purchase products.

Which confirms your "moral objection to manipulating people" isn't the real obstacle.

It's OK. That's the case with most people (both the excuse and the fact that it's not the real obstacle). It just slays me that I find so many folk with marketing educations that just don't know what the fundamental elements of a truly professional salesperson are. Oh, and to be clear -

Where as hard selling/direct selling is, I feel intrusive and people just give in after hearing you talk a lot, ending up regretting there purchase.

That's not it.

Out of idle interest, just how much has this marketing degree cost to get so far?