Is this how we create jobs?

[Blurock]

Quote from Engineering News 28 March 2012;

"Aganang project manager Werner Kieweg said that Sinoma International Engineering, the Chinese company responsible for the construction of the cement plant, currently had about 238 Chinese employees on site and 38 local workers.

At the peak of construction, which was expected in January 2013, Sinoma would employ about 500 local workers and some 1 000 Chinese workers. This excluded employees tasked with non-turnkey projects, such as roads and electricity. Sephaku started construction of its new R2.3-billion, 2.5-million-ton-a-year cement production facility in the North West, late last year."

Is this how we grow employment and the South African economy in general? South Africa has a strong and experienced construction industry with world class companies. How is it possible that a Chinese company, employing Chinese labour, gets a contract of this magnitude?

Who authorised this and who received backhanders?

[Doug B]

Hi Blurock,I think it is bloody digusting and a clear indication that this government,like so many others in Africa is far more interested in lining their own pockets than either the working class man in the street( who ironically probably voted him in !) or the country as a whole.

[Leeu]

Those in power, never the less how they got there, will only look after their own, follow the paper trail and you will find the kick back partners, if you do name and shame or pass on to COSATU

[Martinco]

On the other side of the coin.........................

During the time I have been "away", I got involved with the DA and through that got elected as a local municipal ward committee member. Our ward is involved in the upgrading of our water mains system.
I further got elected as the CLO ( Community Liaison Officer ) for this project and amongst other, I am involved in the procurement of labor for this project.
My instruction from the municipality was to ensure that ONLY local people get employed for this project, obviously except where the need for specialized skills arise ( and then I try local first ). I even get to chose from which wards the people get employed.
I attempted to get some white people into a job, but this did not happen !

[Leeu]

Yes, the issue of "white people"

I love this government of ours, the very people that can assist in making South Africa great is rejected, that is why Chines people had/have to be recruited to the lose of the country, but when you got blinkers on, you do not see this as long as your pocket is lined

[Blurock]

Met a toolmaker the other day who showed me a mould he was making for a local bra manufacturer. Up till now the bra manufacturer have had tools made in Italy or China. The local toolmaker then had to make adjustments or repairs to the tool to make it work. I hope the Bra guys finally realise that we have qualified people right here at home!

Less than 20% of SA’s tooling demands are met locally. Industry is importing tools from Germany and China, leaving it vulnerable to servicing needs and breakdowns.

Time to catch a wake up and get rid of all these tenderpreneurs who source everything from overseas at the cost of their own people!

[Justloadit]

Do remember that the Chinese folk have been stated as PDI's so theoretically they are employing the local previously disadvantaged individuals (Chinese), and so meet the general quota

[Martinco]

Less than 20% of SA’s tooling demands are met locally. Industry is importing tools from Germany and China, leaving it vulnerable to servicing needs and breakdowns.

I agree 100% with you BUT......... I tried to find a toolmaker for more than 2 years and eventually settled on a guy from Zim. Not the sharpest in the packet, but prepared to work. ( @ R80.00 / hr ! )
Opposed to this I also imported tools from China...............real crude but does the job and @ USD 500.00 was way less than what it would have cost me to make in house.
So, there is some economics involved as well !

[Leeu]

Well importing stuff from China I am guilty of as well, I imported several customised 12volt solenoids, the price I paid per solenoid landed was 1/3rd the price of the would be locally manufactured, not customised solenoid, when I brought this to the attention of the local manufacturer, he said that he could not compete for several reasons, one been that his materials alone exceeded the landed cost without fabrication, so local is not so lekker, although if local was competitive I would support local first time

[Blurock]

Do remember that the Chinese folk have been stated as PDI's so theoretically they are employing the local previously disadvantaged individuals (Chinese), and so meet the general quota

These are NOT PDI's. They are from mainland China and will most likely find residence here and never go back.

All this while more than 50% of our youth under 30 is unemployed! If you look at what happened in the Arabian countries and the problems emanating from areas such as Limpopo, the climate is getting ripe for a revolution...

I sincerely hope that our authorities and our business community will wake up and realise what is happening and stop this rape of our own country for personal benefit.

[Dave A]

All this while more than 50% of our youth under 30 is unemployed! If you look at what happened in the Arabian countries and the problems emanating from areas such as Limpopo

And now Spain

[Leeu]

I am not sure of their PDI statues, I can recall sometime in the past hearing that they were declared PDI, what I do know they are not referred as white, as long as they are not "white" they will be regarded by the government's preferred association's and will sell their birthright for their money, those in government are communists and the Chines are communists, peas in a pod so to say, with the past celebrations they showed how church based the ANC was, this is indoctrination, they had a 4 part series on the history of the ANC but nowhere did they show the necklacing and kangaroo courts, street courts that metered out cruel and fatal justice on their own people

[murdock]

how do you make local lekker if we cannot compete with local labour...i can get 5 zim sparkies for the price of one south afican...they work harder and have less labout issues with unions.

i am asuming the chinese are paying subsidies for their people to come work here just to make space in china...fresh air and they can shoot trophy sleeping crocadiles.

[murdock]

On the other side of the coin.........................

During the time I have been "away", I got involved with the DA and through that got elected as a local municipal ward committee member. Our ward is involved in the upgrading of our water mains system.
I further got elected as the CLO ( Community Liaison Officer ) for this project and amongst other, I am involved in the procurement of labor for this project.
My instruction from the municipality was to ensure that ONLY local people get employed for this project, obviously except where the need for specialized skills arise ( and then I try local first ). I even get to chose from which wards the people get employed.
I attempted to get some white people into a job, but this did not happen !

i ask myself why would i want to teach a black person my skills...when i read a post like this.

"I attempted to get some white people into a job, but this did not happen ! "

[tec0]

If I may venture from the topic but is it not true that there are complains about labour laws and the cost of labour? After all that is why most companies prefer labour-brokers. The fact is in the quest for profit anything and everything is in fact expendable.

So where does job creation start? Across the nations it starts with two very basic things needs and wants… A good example of pure needs would be the medical industry. Wants range from basic improvements to the more luxurious.

That said the system feeds itself, from needs and wants comes fabrication and ultimately sales/investments both long term and short term. However thanks to cutting costs and the like we as businesses have succeeded in destroying only our own revenue.

An example of the above would be company A have a 100 workers with needs and wants then they are a 100 customers in potential. But if they are a 100 workers that cannot afford anything then we have a 100 people that cannot support other businesses/companies thus a dead loss…

From this point the math becomes really simple, because of poor buying power profit will go down and down until all of us are unemployed. The truth is all money goes to the "super rich" and to little of that finds its way back to the people.