About job creation.

[gombault]

Zuma is saying he want to get personally involved in creating jobs for the people. But in reality government are just saying the same thing over and over knowing nothing will change. As the gap between the rich and the poor increases, shouldn’t we ask, is any human worth a salary of a million plus?
Is business or the capitalist system to blame for mans greed?
I have been a business owner most of my adult life. I never saw myself as a businessman. To me it was about the product if your product or service was good it should sell. Unfortunately if someone put enough money behind a bad product it will also sell and in many cases it will continue to sell.
Is there a way of creating jobs? Can we create new sustainable business industries? Is there a way of stopping corruption?
Yes there is but the business communities don’t want it.
My friend and I spend years developing a business system that would help reducing the gap between the rich and the poor but when shown to the business community they hated it claiming such a system would eat it to their profits. If you train someone a skill that skill is useless if that someone can’t use it to support himself. If someone cant find employment after his skills training then his only other option would be self employment, self employment requires capital, capital that most of them don’t have. Our system was designed to help such people. Unfortunately the business community doesn’t see it that way; to them that unemployed person is just someone that could takes money away from them. We can’t expect the crime rate to go down if we have so many unemployed with no hope for their future.

[Dave A]

Is there a way of creating jobs? Can we create new sustainable business industries? Is there a way of stopping corruption?
Yes there is but the business communities don’t want it.
My friend and I spend years developing a business system that would help reducing the gap between the rich and the poor but when shown to the business community they hated it claiming such a system would eat it to their profits.

And this system that will solve these problems would be?

[adrianh]

I think that job creation is a waste of time. The ones that have jobs want to strike and sit on their butts.. There is no way under the sun that I will hire more staff, to the contrary, we are in the process of purchasing 3 small injection moulding machines - great, now I can get rid of those pesky twits that only come to work Tuesday through Thursday. Why create more jobs, all that will happen is that there will be more babies needing more jobs.

I demand: One job on vasectomy; Viva birth control. Aye I don't care, I make my own job and I already have two daughters.

[gombault]

Before I tell you how our system works I will tell you what’s wrong with our current system. Those companies that can afford to advertise in places like the yellow pages or have web pages seldom want to do the small jobs.
Lets take an example. (I know many of you had similar experiences yourself)

Your houses roof is leaking.
You first try the yellow pages. I would say about 50% of the businesses you call via the yellow pages the person in charge is not in. they would tell you he would phone you back but he never does. Another 30% would tell you that they are to busy or give you a date that’s not acceptable. The last 20% would give you a price that’s just ridicules.
Meantime there are many that could do an affordable and professional job but we lack a system of connecting the parties.

Creating an industry.
I am in manufacturing many of our machines are electro hydraulic controlled. We also build special purpose machines for our own application. So we know how much things like hydraulic motors, pumps. Solenoid valves and cylinders cost. The first thing I do if I am looking for something hydraulic is go to large scrap yards. I picked up things there that cost many thousands of Rands for only the price of scrap weight. This could have been an entire industry selling S/H hydraulic components. Or someone with hydraulic experience could service them and sell them as recondition.
So why isn’t it an industry? Because it’s too hard to find customers.
This is only one example the same would be applicable on many other products.

Preventing corruption.
Our system is based on price and availability. It also caters for exclusion, meaning if someone only wants to do business with selected suppliers then only those selected suppliers will receive requests. If all government purchases would work via this system there could be no corruption.

How our system works.
The business will register for the categories he does business in we also divided the categories in to new, secondhand and reconditioned products.
The business will register for the town and province he’s in.

If someone requires a product or service he would select the products category. He would select the town or province he could also select for a countrywide search.
He will then give a description of the product or service he wants. And send.

All on the system and in the area specified would receive his request for a price and availability. This system would bring a saving of more than 90% on time and phone costs.

[adrianh]

@gombault - and what does this have to do with job creation. Lots of people already advertise their services on Gumtree and one can search by county / province / city.

[gombault]

Adrianh I have injection molders and believe me they will not solve your problems.
Our system is not about advertising it’s about eliminating advertising. It’s about those that can’t afford advertising to have an equal opportunity to trade.
With our system you cant advertise. You select a category and an area and ask if someone in that area have what you want and give you his price.
We moved in to a very dangerous lifestyle of greed. Our politicians gave themselves huge salaries local governments top brass then did the same the private and public sector followed. The gap between the rich and poor just keeps on getting bigger if the rich doesn’t rectify the situation then they will loose everything. We cannot have so many living in poverty and then just say it’s the government’s problem.

[adrianh]

Hmmm...to the contrary, I have proved that I can get 18 hours of productivity from my laser 365 days a year. I can get 23 hours of the injection moulding machine. I sure as hell can't get that out of staff. The machines don't get colds, flu, they don't strike, they don't take long lunches or argue with you. No matter how you sell, machines are more efficient.

Nobody can work on the never-never. I cannot see anybody placing a request in space hoping that they might get somebody to supply the service. I want to phone a company, find out if they can solve a problem and if they can't, move on to the next company. I don't want to sit looking at a screen hoping that somebody will call me. If those companies have their names listed in your directory then how is that different from advertising?

We moved in to a very dangerous lifestyle of greed

It's called capatilsm and it has been around for a very, very long time. In a dog eat dog world there are no hand-outs. People need to get off their butts and work. If those living in poverty stopped making babies and started working they could solve their own problems. Why don't they go back to the rural areas and work on the farms, they don't because they want MacDonalds and cellphones. I have no sympathy for people who do not take it upon themselves to better themselves.

I still don't get what the relationship is between your directory and the starving masses.

Ok, let me ask another question - what would it cost me to subscribe to your service?

[johnwarner75]

Capitalism seeks to make a profit at the expense on others. It has helped the West advance well for the past few centuries now. Unfortunately business needs to compete and capitalise on the little money thats out there.

[gombault]

Everyone in manufacturing automates. If you don’t you won’t remain in business.
No manufacturing process can exist without humans. You still need operators by your injection molders.

You are not placing something in space; you are placing a request to only those that supplies the product or service you want. Do you want to phone 10 companies that don’t have what you want? Do you want to receive 10 phone calls from people that want something you don’t sell? I ones spend an entire day phoning chemical companies looking for a hi temp epoxy. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a system doing it for you

[KimH]

A couple of questions:

I still don't get how this system is closing the gap between rich and poor?

You emphatically state that this is not advertising, so how would you bring client and service provider together then without some form of advertising?

[adrianh]

How much does it cost:

To join the listing?
To use the listing?

And of course don't forget about Kim's questions!

[Dave A]

I know this thread is all over the place already, but can I pick on this snippet, please?

Capitalism seeks to make a profit at the expense on others.

Say what?

I don't know how your business operates (or what business you work for) but in my operation - customers get services which are provided at fair value. My staff operate in a team environment that allows them to make money, and in a way they couldn't do on their own. I create employment, and I get a return on the capital I use to finance this shindig (not to mention some applied knowledge and leadership that keeps this little economic engine rolling in the right direction).

So I'm a capitalist and operating at who's expense exactly?

The way I see it everyone's a winner. So what am I missing here?

[mother]

I'm with Dave on this one. The way I understand it (and apply it), capitalism is about the exchange of money / skills / time (labour) and the exchange of money / product service (trade = supply & demand).

Businesses of course trade with the public as well as amongst each other. Trading amongst each other could be for supplying raw materials, financial services, advertising space, etc. By definition, a capitalist approach boils down to a symbiotic relationship (i.e. where every party needs the other party to survive). Nowhere does it imply greed. Capitalism will require good leaders to keep the networks of relationships between their organisation and its suppliers and its customers healthy, and always ensure value to all parties in their network. And in final instance the paying customer (whether it is the private individual or another business) will vote with his money. In my opinion this is a very fair system, because greed WILL eventually be voted out as better products / services become available at competitive prices.

But I also don't understand how your system will eliminate advertising, because it still sounds like advertising to me, just slightly modified. Unless you mean it will eliminate PAID advertising, in which case I'm curious as to how you will maintain this system without any funding. Surely someone somewhere has to foot the bill?

[Blurock]

I fail to understand gombault's point. Are you complaining because you are not generating enough business for yourself or are you trying to promote communism?

Communism we do not have to discuss because it has never worked anywhere, not even in the good old USSR. If you can not generate enough business due to ineffective advertising, get someone to give you advice.

As you say; 50% of the companies you phone for quotes do not respond. This should give you an opportunity to do better by making sure that you respond in time and provide the best job at a reasonable price. If you can achieve only this, word of mouth will ensure that you will have more than enough business to keep you busy. You may even be able to expand your business and employ more people who then do not have to rely on Govt. and taxpayers to provide them with social grants and handouts.

[tec0]

Let’s unthread this tapestry and we will find woven in its design is the need for poverty, reckless abandonment that makes up this picture we see today. We will find that labour brokers destroyed job security and they don’t do much other then keep jobs for ransom a legal blackmail nothing more.

The plonker that thought labour brokers was good for the economy just justified outsourcing thus giving jobs away. So while economists top themselves off with BB guns “they can’t get real ones” we are in a bit of a mess.

Sadly we no longer have local industry because it is cheaper to import then support our local cash grabbers we call manufactures. And I really have a trouble with their mind set. They think because they give people work and all that, that they can blackmail the public into submission “don’t support us we fire people” attitude. The only thing that is going to stimulate is spite and outsourcing.

Seriously economics is like pub toilet that you eventually will have to use. And if it wasn’t maintained well it is not going to be a joyful experience. So what to do, we have millions of small businesses and there owners “not all but some” expect people to work for nothing or less.

That said South Africa allowed for the W@l-M@rt invasion! So basically our importers of cheep crap will now be out of business because the demigod of cheep crap is in town and it can import cheaper goods cheaper still while blissfully force people to work for the air they breathe. “emission tax”

So the factors are:

Firstly: Job creation is gone due to the need to be business rather than being employed and it is the only way you can create work for yourself due political and other bylaws that make employment impossible for some.

Secondly you have labour brokers that make sure not a single worker has job security. And yet they print out payslips so that those workers can borrow money from the bank. Money that is now a liability for the bank, thus a liability for investors. NEED I say more?

Thirdly you have the “W@l-M@rt” sh!t storm that will destroy every small importer in this country. That will destroy the remaining local fabricators of this country. That will enforce low wage jobs. Not to mention our already weakened welfare system will have to cope a much higher demand, because people will simply no longer be able to afford things like doctors and so on.

The forth factor is our fabricators, they cannot expect people to pay triple to fabricate locally. And Government is really not helping with their countless rules BEE bylaws, penalties and over taxing. We are one of the highest taxed nations in the world! And because of that we can no longer afford to fabricate locally. Soon our exports will dwindle because our natural resources are being exported cheaply, and then we have to import the product that was made from our resources thus more money goes out of the country along with sustainability.

Our Agricultural system is collapsing, because again people will rather import and for reasons unknown we do not have massif purification plants pumping sea water making it clean for agricultural use. Why is this? The technology is there we have the resources but we don’t do the deed? Why is that? Not to mention existing farms are being “reclaimed” and not producing anymore.

So with all this said and done how on earth do one expect a country to grow? It cannot so something has to change and will change. South Africa can flourish or we can face a total economical and social collapse.

Now at this point in time we have car manufactures and people are saying “yes government is helping them” This is true and I hope it stays true because it creates jobs” However right now the importers are bringing in cheap cars and we cannot afford the cars we build??? This is also true… Now this is a wonderful example of; “what the hell is going on?” The people must start to take notice because we are already pointing towards a mismanaged system.

Our tax structure make it impossible to own land, it makes it impossible to fabricate locally. Our bylaws makes job creation impossible, you cannot get onto the vender-list due to bylaws. Labour brokers allow for false job security that is destroying our investment system and in turn creates more instability. Not to mention that our banks wants 100% and more profit from each loan….

Still the biggest problem we have along with all the above is our educational system. What an absolute bugger-up! E$k*m no longer accepts N3 or a high school diploma or so is my understanding when I spoke to one of their people. Now you need both!!! And it gets sadder the training you get once you got your papers in order is p!ss poor and they are not alone. So what is the point to higher education if you don’t get ahead?

Workers can no longer climb rank because there is a backlog of "previously disadvantage" workers that never did training “that was and is available to them for the last 16 years” now expects to become the next manager, while avoiding education subject in its entirety. That said there are so many contractors at the plants that they managed to close the plant down when on strike? How can there be more contractors/labour-brokers then permanent employees?

Now if this continues then the system will do the only thing it can do, that is to stop working. Then imagine what will happen next. This is the reality of the situation?

If things continue as there are then in the next 2 to 5 years jobs will be a thing of the past and cheap labour without any future will be our only future.

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