Linking the Illuminati & SARB

[Miro Bagrov]

Concerning the rand:
The rand dropped because of the interest rate differential.
Inflation was 3.1 and Repo was 5.5 at the time when the rand was 6.5/$ (2011)
Now inflation is 6.1 and the repo is still 5.5. No wonder the rand is 8.xx/$
Next year 2012 when the SARB finally raises interest rates the rand can strengthen.

[Dave A]

Next year 2012 when the SARB finally raises interest rates the rand can strengthen.

How sure are you that the SARB will raise interest rates next year? According to their medium term forecasts, they predict inflation dropping back into their target range and seem to see no need to adjust the repo rate.

[nico42]

This topic is very insteresting... and complicated^^ I will read it again

[msmoorad]

on a related note
heres another article from Henry Makow:

Zionists Funded Both Hitler & Churchill
by Henry Makow Ph.D.


When Winston Churchill was visiting Germany, in 1932, Putzi Hanfstaengl tried to arrange a meeting with Hitler. Hitler apparently declined. It wouldn't do for two Zionist political actors --future "antagonists" -- to be seen rehearsing together before the show began.

Both Hitler and Churchill were pawns of the Zionist bankers. According to historian Thomas J. O'Keefe, Churchill said in his Memoirs that ex-German Chancellor (1930-1932) Heinrich Brüning revealed the identities of Hitler's backers in a 1937 letter:

'I didn't, and do not even today for understandable reasons, wish to reveal from October 1928, the two largest regular contributors to the Nazi Party were the general managers of two of the largest Berlin banks, both of Jewish faith and one of them the leader of Zionism in Germany."

Churchill was funded by a different branch of the same Illuminati Jewish banking syndicate. O'Keefe cites a speech by David Irving on the "Focus Group" set up by Bernard Waley Cohen, a prominent Zionist banker.


"The Focus was financed by a slush fund set up by some of London's wealthiest businessmen -- principally, businessmen organized by the Board of Jewish Deputies in England, whose Chairman was a man called Sir Bernard Waley Cohen, left. Sir Bernard Waley Cohen held a private dinner party at his apartment on July 29, 1936. This is in Waley Cohen's memoirs.

... The 29th of July, 1936, Waley Cohen set up a slush fund of 50,000 pounds for The Focus, the Churchill pressure group. Now, 50,000 pounds in 1936, multiply that by ten, at least, to get today's figures. By another three or four to multiply that into US dollars. So, 40 times 50,000 pounds -- about $2 million in US terms -- was given by Bernard Waley Cohen to this secret pressure group of Churchill in July 1936. The purpose was -- the tune that Churchill had to play was -- fight Germany. Start warning the world about Germany, about Nazi Germany. Churchill, of course, one of our most brilliant orators, a magnificent writer, did precisely that.

For two years, The Focus continued to militate, in fact, right through until 1939. And I managed to find the secret files of The Focus, I know the names of all the members. I know all their secrets. I know how much money they were getting, not just from The Focus, but from other governments. I use the word "other governments" advisedly because one of my sources of information for my Churchill biography is, in fact, the Chaim Weizmann Papers in the State of Israel.

Irving then revealed further details of Churchill's financing by the Czechs, as well as the facts of Churchill's financial rescue by a wealthy banker of Austro-Jewish origins, Sir Henry Strakosch, left, who, in Irving's words, emerged "out of the woodwork of the City of London, that great pure international financial institution." When Churchill was bankrupted overnight in the American stock market crash of 1937-1938, it was Strakosch who was instrumental in setting up the central banks of South Africa and India, who bought up all Churchill's debts. When Strakosch died in 1943, the details of his will, published in the London Times, included a bequest of £20,000 to the then Prime Minister, eliminating the entire debt.

Irving dealt with Churchill's performance as a wartime leader, first as Britain's First Lord of the Admiralty and then as Prime Minister. The British historian adverted to Churchill's "great military defeat in Norway, which he himself engineered and pioneered," and mentioned the suspicion of Captain Ralph Edwards, who was on Churchill's staff at the time, that Churchill had deliberately caused the fiasco to bring down Neville Chamberlain and replace him as prime minister, which subsequently happened."

The Second World War was orchestrated to fulfill the long term Zionist goal of Illuminati one world government. Irving spoke of Dunkirk:


"In May 1940, Dunkirk, the biggest Churchill defeat of the lot....Letters between Churchill and the French Prime Minister, Paul Reynaud, revealed the ugly truth that Churchill, himself, gave the secret order to Lord Gort, the British General in command of the British expeditionary force at Dunkirk, "Withdraw, fall back," or as Churchill put it, "Advance to the coast." That was Churchill's wording. "And you are forbidden to tell any of your neighboring allies that you are pulling out. The French and the Belgians were left in the dark that we were pulling out."

Of course Hitler quixotically allowed 330,000 British and Allied soldiers to escape at Dunkirk. The Zionist choreographers wanted the Nazis to succeed initially, but not to administer a knockout punch.

The war had to be long and costly both in lucre and in life. Germany had to be completely destroyed and Judeo Communist Russia had to conquer Eastern Europe. Non-Zionist Jews had to be sacrificed so they would dedicate themselves to building the Rothschild fiefdom known as Israel.

Thanks to Peter Myers for his invaluable news list. He sent Moore's article to my inbox.

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Related- Are World Wars Orchestrated?

Hitler & Bormann Were Traitors

Bankers Planned World Wars to Destroy Germany

Illuminati Used Appeasement to Trick Hitler

http://www.henrymakow.com/001766.html

Hitler Used Rothschild Banker's Typewriter

http://www.henrymakow.com/002071.html

Winston Churchill Illuminati

http://www.henrymakow.com/001071.html

[Dave A]

May I gently suggest you cut back on your Henry Makow and try to get some diversity to your reading, msm. Without variety you lose perspective.

[wynn]

I find reading this blog puts perspective on a lot of conspiricy theories

http://www.skepticblog.org/

[tec0]

So here is the scenario if you want a costly scenario you don't use bullets… Devastation is horrible but as a money maker it is hardly effective because the aircraft alone cost more then what most countries can make in a year.

You accredit the Illuminate to be so clever and well controlled and yet they cannot comprehend anything close to world dominance or any real control. If I was them I would made much more money much more passively and do so easily.

This article just shows you how fictional your claims really are.

Here is the one thing the one section you can consider to be fact above all that is said: When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come and see!"

What he saw was processed by his eyes and mind along with his individual thought. Therefore the word "interpretation" is so very important.

[Blurock]

There are also people that believe in fairies.

As Dave suggested; get some perspective in your life. Do not let your hatred for the Zionist bankers cloud your judgement and thought processes.

[Frankincense]

2012

@Dave A: May I gently suggest we focus on the content of a contribution, and not the measure of credibility you wish to adorn the author with, as its whether what is beng said is true or not that is of relevance and not who said it.

Further, Dave A & Blurock, would it be possible for yourself not to loose perspective of the fact that although a member wishes to post an extract of a certain author, and may do so from occasion to occasion, that we do not create a perception that we now feel this is all the member reads or is exposed to, and plunge ourselves further into a state of wantoness by publically advocating enhanced perspective under such revealed personal subjectiveness we find oursleves in as individuals. Msmoorad has published many articles in this thread alone from various sources. If we could respect intelligence and individuality, we encourage participation from all races, creeds, rich & poor and even dissent inturn will be tolerated.

@ tec0

You accredit the Illuminate to be so clever and well controlled and yet they cannot comprehend anything close to world dominance or any real control. If I was them I would made much more money much more passively and do so easily.

In other words, if you were the Devil, you would make the fire of hell a little warmer? Clearly you dont know who you are dealing with, nor what is being achieved over the last few decades, nor what shall come to pass, therefore you have not been placed in a position to hasten your own and socioty at large's destruction.


@Msmoorad....Thank you for the information and contribution to this thread. I further encourage reading whatever pleases you as some of it may in fact be fact, and naturally some of it fiction. It indeed remains your responsability to determine which you find fact or fiction, but I trust you will continue reading whatever in spite of discouragement witnessed here. It's how humans learn.

The first casualty of any war, including that of information is the truth. Disinformation is rife along with sceptical opinions on matters that serve not the personal interests of those too deeply involved to do anything about it. That being said amidst those falling away, one can read your bolded text in many other articles, other than Henry Makow's blog. I myself have read much of Henry's publishings over the years, and will reserve judgment.

From this: http://books.google.co.za/books?id=q...page&q&f=false

Extract:



We ought to know much concerning Henry Strakosch's involvment in setting up the SA FED (SARB). Its of no surprise nor would I contest it as admissable evidence in the last days.

Concerning Strakosch being Jewish/ Christian matters not. By fruits one is judged, not words alone.

This below reminds me of what I was reffering to concerning the SA FED (SARB) original shareholders list...rather interesting.

[Dave A]

@Dave A: May I gently suggest we focus on the content of a contribution, and not the measure of credibility you wish to adorn the author with, as its whether what is beng said is true or not that is of relevance and not who said it.

I'll take my chastisement with good grace, Francois. I assure you my purpose is not to censor, but to moderate.

I have three concerns, and perhaps you can help resolve them.

1. The authors so frequently raised here have an unfortunate habit of presenting historical fact and their assumptions of purpose in like manner. Do you believe they make a reasonable distinction between fact and speculative supposition in their pieces?

2. When it comes to those allegations of long-standing conspiracy, I have yet to see one "part of the Illuminati long-term plan" allegation that could not be matched by a purpose of relatively short term profiteering. Could you point to a solid piece of factual evidence that proves an Illuminati conspiracy that has spanned centuries?

3. Many of these pieces criticise the powerful influence of the bankers. If the heavyweight financiers of this world are unfit to wield this power, who would you give this power to? And how?

[tec0]

@ tec0
In other words, if you were the Devil, you would make the fire of hell a little warmer? Clearly you dont know who you are dealing with, nor what is being achieved over the last few decades, nor what shall come to pass, therefore you have not been placed in a position to hasten your own and socioty at large's destruction.

Well the use of misinformation, misdirection would be key to keep the public mystified. Using propaganda one would be able to turn real heroes into misfits and conspirators thus allowing for more mistrust.

But getting the public to liquidate themselves and removing there funds from banks into an insecure environment that is key. See without outside investment from the public there can no longer be a free market system thus allowing a single entity to control all markets.

Thus allowing all narcotics industries to fall under the same management. The same will happen with the food industry. This can only happen if people in general start to mistrust local investments and banks.

So I am not the one making hell a little bit hotter…

That said if I was the devil none of this would matter...

Just be glad I am not...

[Blurock]

May I gently suggest we focus on the content of a contribution, and not the measure of credibility you wish to adorn the author with, as its whether what is beng said is true or not that is of relevance and not who said it.

Further, Dave A & Blurock, would it be possible for yourself not to loose perspective of the fact that although a member wishes to post an extract of a certain author, and may do so from occasion to occasion, that we do not create a perception that we now feel this is all the member reads or is exposed to,

If my contribution harped on only one theme, people could rightfully conclude that that is all that fills my mind.
If I use quotes to prove that the sky is green, everyone has the right to comment on whether they agree with me or not. If my comments are hurtful to others, you have the right to censor me. I am outspoken and sometimes a good whack on the head helps!

[Miro Bagrov]

Someone asked me about the interest rates.

My first factor is this:

That is my analysis based on historical data. There is definitely a long term normalisation, but the nature is still cyclical.

My second factor is this:
CPI = 6.0 (Oct, 2011)

http://www.resbank.co.za/pages/default.aspx

The target is 3-6%. They must increase it eventually if it exceeds 6 for long enough. Or change their policy.

My third factor is this:
Rand Weakened 1.6%.
http://www.iol.co.za/business/market...llar-1.1207979
Rand weakness increases inflation because imports become expensive.

My decision is that sometime this year they will need to push it up. The trend will continue for 2 years and then the reverse will happen.
Everyone has their position though.

[Dave A]

My decision is that sometime this year they will need to push it up. The trend will continue for 2 years and then the reverse will happen.
Everyone has their position though.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you. However I tend to factor in that there is a bit more political pressure than usual to keep interest rates down at the moment.

I suspect inflation is really going to have to get out of step with interest rates before we'll see an increase in the repo rate.

[Miro Bagrov]

I think you're right there sir. There is some un-fundamental behavior atm. Is it politics or poli-tricks?

I also don't think SA is ready for interest rate rises, so much debt out there: also the euro and us problems and their likelihood of short circuiting and causing another recession...
But then, the argument should be, why are we even using inflation targeting if we wont end up pulling the weight. If the country is so affected by foreign problems, let's use exchange rate targeting or even some completely new policy which is designed for economic pressures.