Oscar - SA's OJ case

[IanF]

Cade sounds like our politicians they read Shakespeare

[newBix]

If you do a Google you will find a story like this one. Man Thought Daughter was Intruder

BROWNSVILLE - A father claims he mistook his daughter for an intruder, when he shot her Thursday night.

Brownsville police are investigating the shooting at the Conquistador Apartments on Billy Mitchell Boulevard. Investigators said the 27-year old woman was sneaking in through an unlocked window at the apartments.

Her father told police he thought she was intruder and fired a small caliber handgun. The woman was hit with fragments of the bullet in her eye.

Police are talking to the district attorney's office to determine if any criminal charges will be filed.

Now there is a video clip and if your internet isn’t a bowl of old dog poo and can actually stream it you may find the story interesting.

After watching what was said in court on the OS case, I cannot help but to think “look this dude had every reason to be scared. I mean we “all of us” have a fear of a murderer coming to rob and kill us. If we didn’t we wouldn’t have security systems locked doors. and our homes wouldn't resemble a prison.

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Pursuant to Johan Stipps testimony public sentiment has started to swing towards Oscar.

[newBix]

Pursuant to Johan Stipps testimony public sentiment has started to swing towards Oscar.

I don’t know... Everyone is saying she screamed. NOW for that to be true was she really behind the door? Was she sitting or standing?

[Hermes14]

Pursuant to Johan Stipps testimony public sentiment has started to swing towards Oscar.

Personally I don't feel it is safe to make a judgment yet.
We need to hear all the other evidence first before we weigh up the facts

The fact that Oscar had previously negligently fired a fire arm in public & got someone else to take the blame for him is going to count against him.
One question I would like to hear Oscar answer is what lead him to believe that there was a burglar in the bathroom?

[HR Solutions]

BROWNSVILLE - A father claims he mistook his daughter for an intruder, when he shot her Thursday night.

Brownsville police are investigating the shooting at the Conquistador Apartments on Billy Mitchell Boulevard. Investigators said the 27-year old woman was sneaking in through an unlocked window at the apartments.

Her father told police he thought she was intruder and fired a small caliber handgun. The woman was hit with fragments of the bullet in her eye.

Police are talking to the district attorney's office to determine if any criminal charges will be filed.

To me there is one BIG difference - this guy SAW someone climbing thro a window, which is not a natural thing to be doing at that time of the night. With Oscar he shot thro a LOCKED door, which just happened to be a bathroom on the first floor !! There is every chance that your girlfriend is using the toilet, than climbing in or out of a window !

I am a gun owner - If I hear a noise at night, which has happened a few times - the first thing I do is make sure I know where my complete family is !

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

In respect to public sentiment turning, I did not say Stipps testimony has exonerated Oscar, but based on twitter and the social media (a barometer of public opinion), people have started exploring the possibility that just maybe it was an accident.

[Hermes14]

Sterne I wasn’t trying to batter you.
I was just expressing my p.o.v.
Unfortunately I missed the first three days of the trial but yesterday I was able to watch most of the trial.
Johan Stipps statement was a very emotional statement & if I took myself & put myself in the shoes of a person that has not been trained in court procedures, I will also be allowing my emotions to be controlling my assumptions.

From just hearing Stipps testimony, yes it does sound like it could have been an accident.
If Oscar was the owner of a firearm, did he have a competency certificate for that firearm?

[pmbguy]

Personally I don't feel it is safe to make a judgment yet.
We need to hear all the other evidence first before we weigh up the facts

The fact that Oscar had previously negligently fired a fire arm in public & got someone else to take the blame for him is going to count against him.
One question I would like to hear Oscar answer is what lead him to believe that there was a burglar in the bathroom?

The public shooting thing is very bad, in hind sight he actually shot himself in the foot that day, perhaps his head.

Regarding the bed/burglar problem, I would say the defence would argue that the blankets/pillows made it look like she was in the bed. Very plausible, this happens all the time.

Key evidence here would be the bedroom photos and how much light comes through the curtains, were they open, which lights were on/off, size/nature of blankets and pillows.

[sterne.law@gmail.com]

Yes, he does have a competency certificate.
he also has a licence as a gun collector.

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The gun dischareg in the restaurant -
It would be really stupid to purposefully fire a shot. By all accounts it sounds like a genuine accident. That does not remove the fact that the gun owner was irresponsible (and was supposed to remove the bullet form the breech) when he handed it over. 9But then we shoudl arrest a large proportion of our police force and military)
Shifting the blame, whilst morally incorrect, is understandable and explainable in that as a celebrity it would draw far more attention than a civilian.
Firing out the car -
Open stretch of road, he is not the first nor the last man to do that.

I think the prosecution has no real interest in pressing these charges, what they do do is allow a form of character evidence to be led, which would not ordinarily have been permissable. It paints a picture of a reckless cowboy - good for the homicide case.

[pmbguy]

I agree that the restaurant shooting is not that serious in itself, it will probably only be a “shooting himself in the foot” thing, but these incidents add to the idea that he is a mad gun ho bugger.

I guess the defence will say, yes he owns x and y and yes he is what we may deem a gun fanatic, at times very irresponsible. But put yourself in his shoes for a minute and you will realise that this behaviour, gun fanaticism, unhealthy fear of intruders, is borne out of his birth. His actions that night were out of fear not anger.

[pmbguy]

His disability means that the defence can turn the “gun mad cowboy” image not really to their advantage as such, but rather successfully channel this image into their argument. So in some respect attacks on his character won’t be as harmful as it may be in other cases (Given that the defence is successful at painting the disability-fear of intruders argument).

[newBix]

Today the “X” painted a picture of a irresponsible person. a man that gets really angry i wonder how the hell did he get a firearm to begin with. I get is SA is a dangerous place but giving him a gun does that make SA less dangerous or more?

The picture i got is “here is a man that thinks he can do what he wants when he wants and how he wants” above the law comes to mind. twice now he illustrated a very irresponsible and anger driven personality.

But what pisses me off is the "OS" representation stated “I DIDNT WANT TO DO THIS BUT I WILL“ how the hell is this not a fret from him to the witness?

He basically said ok you showed your face stated that you are a x-girlfriend but i got e-mails showing that you are not and NOW I am going to humiliate you with this “evidence” am i missing something?

[Hermes14]

Yes the owner was very negligent for handing over a loaded firearm.
I am assuming a person with a gun collector’s license is fairly knowledgeable about firearms & firearm law.
Anyone who has had firearm training should know that when you receive a firearm from someone else & you don’t know the state of the firearm you should always treat it as loaded.

Shifting the blame, whilst morally incorrect, is understandable and explainable in that as a celebrity it would draw far more attention than a civilian.
Firing out the car

If his friends had not taken the blame & Oscar was forced to face the consequences would Reeva be alive today?

pmbguy:- Regarding the bed/burglar problem, I would say the defense would argue that the blankets/pillows made it look like she was in the bed. Very plausible, this happens all the time.

That is a good point & difficult to rule out.

I’m not sure how much weight Samantha’s statement will hold in the final decision.
Regarding the shout for help whether it is a man or woman. Adv Roux could argue that the incident at the Vaal where Oscar shouted out of anger after the police stopped them & the cry for help the neighbours heard on the night of the incident when Reeva was shot. Would not be the same because he would have been in two totally states of mind.

I think the prosecution has no real interest in pressing these charges, what they do is allow a form of character evidence to be led, which would not ordinarily have been permissible.

I can almost agree with you but I can’t seem to work out what Adv Nel is planning.
It does look like they are aiming for a charge of negligence