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  • iLLuDeano
    Bronze Member

    • Sep 2013
    • 124

    #1

    Two Big Questions

    Read an article on a company website called To The Point

    They ask people two questions and I would like to have people in forum give some creative answers

    1. What drives effort?
    (and productivity and motivation and commitment?)
    2. And what can you do about it?
  • Mike Simmonds
    Email problem

    • Aug 2011
    • 76

    #2
    Interesting

    Which may explain why some corporates will pay you whatever you want as long as you "personal turnover" is 3x that amount.

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    • Jacques#1
      Silver Member

      • Oct 2009
      • 201

      #3
      Originally posted by iLLuDeano
      Read an article on a company website called To The Point

      They ask people two questions and I would like to have people in forum give some creative answers

      1. What drives effort?
      (and productivity and motivation and commitment?)
      2. And what can you do about it?


      A Whip!!
      IJS Installations
      Electrical, Residential Gas and Electric fencing.

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      • iLLuDeano
        Bronze Member

        • Sep 2013
        • 124

        #4
        Originally posted by Jacques#1
        A Whip!!
        I think that sums this thread up pretty well! hahaha, creative indeed. Lets take a serious look at this from a business perspective tho.

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        • pmbguy
          Platinum Member

          • Apr 2013
          • 2095

          #5
          Originally posted by iLLuDeano
          1. What drives effort?
          (and productivity and motivation and commitment?)
          2. And what can you do about it?
          Cocaine
          It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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          • adrianh
            Diamond Member

            • Mar 2010
            • 6328

            #6
            There is no simple answer, it depends on the person and their circumstance. A childless lady building a career is not driven by the same motivations as a mother of 2 toddlers just as a 23 year old man isn't driven by the same passions as a 56 year old. Those are simple differences, then of course you have cultural, social and just "we are what we are" differences.

            The trick is to find what is important to each one and to ensure that harness it. I also think that one you employ people who are naturally driven, the kind of people who are able to motivate themselves.

            Productivity and reward are not always correlated. Some people are unproductive no matter what you do, maybe they are lazy or stupid or possibly too intelligent and bored. Some people are naturally productive, they get things done because that is just the way that they are. Then there are those who are driven purely by reward. They could be good and they could also be terrible. These guys will make a point of working overtime, whether it is needed or not, they are also prone to bending the rules to make a sale - they could be bad or good, depending on your perspective.

            My view remains that one should hire for attitude and aptitude and train for skill. I will rather work with a naturally motivated person who is willing to learn rather than a know-it-all lazy ass expert.

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            • pmbguy
              Platinum Member

              • Apr 2013
              • 2095

              #7
              People are more motivated when they are given task based work. Break the job down into segments, then they have a specific short term gaol to work towards. Instead of having one big long job with the goal somewhere in the distant future, sapping motivation.

              Provide incentives like if they reach goal x they get half the day off at the end of the month, or they get that coffee machine they always crying about.

              Reward the top sales person of the month with bonus or day of etc.

              Reward the person who takes the least sick days a year.

              When there is an insignificant decision to be made e.g. what type of coffee should be bought, put it to a vote.

              Management should constantly be in touch with employees. Asking them things like what their opinion is on X and Y. Ask them what their needs are etc etc. When employees feel that management is interested in what they have to say it makes them more motivated because they feel like they are part of the “business team”. Often employees have the best ideas, but this will never come to light if there is not good communication between them and management.
              It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. – Charles Darwin

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              • tec0
                Diamond Member

                • Jun 2009
                • 4624

                #8
                I started out working for free for a very long time and based on what I know is that no boss is alike. You get the good boss but alcohol gets the better of them. You get the bad boss stealing from clients and you get the don’t care boss business goes the way of the dodo.

                Loyalty is the one thing you cannot buy. If your workers doesn’t respect you or care for the company then you as the boss need to change their minds. Secondly it comes down to the job.

                When I was still a cleaner “and no it’s not that bad” My boss would talk to us about how to handle the worst jobs breaking them down into steps explaining what each chemical does. He made it interesting and cleaning became an art. His gift a very positive attitude. Sadly cleaners don’t get paid that well so it is a stepping stone job. But here is the thing he was so cool about it he would encourage you to study and be something better. Was a good man.

                My second worst boss “server administrator” was a dick. He claimed perfection only for himself and the rest of us were nothing “expendable” even our pay wasn’t on time because he was that important. He would scream at us all day and drink all night and in the end his business went the way of the dodo.
                I had about 30 jobs in total ranging from the worst to the best to self-employed

                My worst boss was me! Yea no one can drive you harder then you yourself. You will kill yourself to make it and trying to keep it. It is something I wouldn’t recommend your health becomes your toy and your success your addiction.

                My advice "motivate yourself" if you need anyone for that you lost the plot.
                peace is a state of mind
                Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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                • KimH
                  Email problem

                  • Jul 2010
                  • 362

                  #9
                  Originally posted by tec0
                  My worst boss was me! Yea no one can drive you harder then you yourself. You will kill yourself to make it and trying to keep it. It is something I wouldn’t recommend your health becomes your toy and your success your addiction.

                  My advice "motivate yourself" if you need anyone for that you lost the plot.
                  Amen to that!
                  "If at first you don't succeed, do it like your mother told you."

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                  • HR Solutions
                    Suspended

                    • Mar 2013
                    • 3358

                    #10
                    We have two salary structures for our consultants. The first is a lower salary with high percentage com and the second a higher basic with lower com percentage. Different ppl want and are driven by different structures.

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                    • iLLuDeano
                      Bronze Member

                      • Sep 2013
                      • 124

                      #11
                      Originally posted by adrianh
                      Some people are unproductive no matter what you do, maybe they are lazy or stupid or possibly too intelligent and bored. Some people are naturally productive, they get things done because that is just the way that they are.
                      "Great thinking is not the province of a privileged few: everyone, regardless of background or educational qualification has the ability to think well - given the right conditions." - Bernard Swanepoel

                      The key is then motivation. And as mentioned, motivation can differ for each person, or rather the way they are motivated. One thing I have learned is that a simple congratulations or recognition of work well done can go a long way. The problem is time, management mostly don't have or take the time to look at what their employees do. Especially in big companies. Your "workers" often get lost into doing work like a robot without being given any advice, credit or motivation for what they do. I firmly agree that the best growth takes place on a personal level between individual and boss or manager.

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                      • wynn
                        Diamond Member

                        • Oct 2006
                        • 3338

                        #12
                        My best bosses gave me the privilege of working with them.
                        The worst bosses never let you forget that you work for them.
                        There is a vast difference and the worst bosses never get it, it creates the scenario where you do a certain function one hundred times and they say nothing, but make one mistake and they never let you forget it.

                        The best bosses are always saying things like 'Great job,' or 'Well done,' when you make a mistake they help you fix it and ask 'What did you learn from that mistake?'
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                        • Dave A
                          Site Caretaker

                          • May 2006
                          • 22807

                          #13
                          Originally posted by iLLuDeano
                          1. What drives effort?
                          (and productivity and motivation and commitment?)
                          Attention. Whether that's the carrot or the stick.

                          Even flagellation is perversely perceived as a form of recognition. (Dig deep enough into why naughty boys are naughty, and ultimately it's related to attention seeking).


                          Originally posted by iLLuDeano
                          2. And what can you do about it?
                          Give visible signs that you are paying attention.

                          Know people's names, and greet them when you see them by name (the boss knows who I am).
                          Congratulate them (or whip them) for something specific that they did that they weren't necessarily aware that you were aware of.

                          In smaller operations, or if you're in charge of a smaller team, be aware of background info - married, in a relationship, children, studies, hobbies, sports...
                          Don't spend much time yacking about it, (that would be counter-productive), but every now and then a question or comment on the subject helps show you "care".

                          It's weird what works and what doesn't. It's certainly not all obvious, and sometimes it's plainly counter-intuitive. For example:

                          My personal experience of the most effective way to massively reduce the productivity and commitment of an employee is to give them a big pay increase. Kinda complicated to explain why, but damn - give too much too soon and every time a coconut, expect problems - it's just a matter of time (and normally not long too).

                          I've got in the habit of giving multiple smaller, interim increments to folks who have made a big step up nowadays rather than one big jump. So far that seems to work much better (touches wood).
                          Last edited by Dave A; 05-Dec-13, 09:55 PM. Reason: typo
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                          • Justloadit
                            Diamond Member

                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3518

                            #14
                            Hi Dave,

                            Maybe a bonus instead of an increase may be another way, where recognition is shown with the bonus, but with out the long term commitment as with an increase.
                            Victor - Knowledge is a blessing or a curse, your current circumstances make you decide!
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                            • tec0
                              Diamond Member

                              • Jun 2009
                              • 4624

                              #15
                              When I was still working for a boss all I expected of them was to pay me on time. If they didn’t and they didn’t have a proper excuse I got angry “especially in my first 5 years” I am a motivated worker all I want is my money when it is due. What normally followed after I got angry I think may be inappropriate for this thread.

                              Treat your workers right respect them enough to pay them on time and they will stay behind finish a job “after clocking out” they will walk with you and work hard. Treat them like dirt and you inherit the desert.
                              peace is a state of mind
                              Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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