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  • Chatmaster
    Platinum Member

    • Aug 2006
    • 1065

    #16
    Originally posted by tec0
    I don’t believe in management systems. I think it is a waste of time.
    Interesting statement, care to elaborate?
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    • tec0
      Diamond Member

      • Jun 2009
      • 4624

      #17
      Well for starters one must look at the function of a manager. They keep books and files and do a bit of planning. But in all they sit around and hoping that people will step out of line so that the manager can fire them. Depending on the business or company the manager is basically a human version of a day-planner and is overvalued. Managers will pride themselves as the cornerstone of the company but it is still the worker in the end of the day that is doing the job. Managers generate paperwork and reports for performance and thus translate hard work into numbers. But again the function of a manager may vary from company to company. Yes they do check for irregularities when it comes to money “maybe!” but accountant software is better at it then what they are.

      Now the argument is: if you don’t have managers then the world will fall out of orbit right! Wrong... If a company have proper rules and stipulated timetables that can be computer controlled then why do we need managers in the first place? Look at anyone of their functions and you will find that software and a bit of planning can work even better then to put a manager in place.
      peace is a state of mind
      Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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      • Dave A
        Site Caretaker

        • May 2006
        • 22807

        #18
        Originally posted by tec0
        If a company have proper rules and stipulated timetables that can be computer controlled then why do we need managers in the first place? Look at anyone of their functions and you will find that software and a bit of planning can work even better then to put a manager in place.
        Drawing up timetables is a supervisory role, not management.

        May I quietly suggest you don't quite get what being a manager is really about. Try reading this discussion on management style.
        Participation is voluntary.

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        • tec0
          Diamond Member

          • Jun 2009
          • 4624

          #19
          Dave if I may

          But again the function of a manager may vary from company to company.
          A real part of any manager is there decision making ability and to overview the stuff’s responsibilities. This will also include upper staff’s planning and changes. In short the manager is the eyes and ears of the company. They are the buffer between the workforces, accountants and investors. And when things go bad they are the once that gets it.

          Now I can continue to point out the deferent aspects of managers and there multiple responsibilities however I will still state that you do not need managers in general because most of the company’s foreman or chief foreman already play that role thus a manager is excessive at best. If anything a manager is there for the aesthetics.
          peace is a state of mind
          Disclaimer: everything written by me can be considered as fictional.

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