A peek inside the SA Reserve Bank

[Blurock]

With tapes of this on the news every night, what does everyone think? Did Mboweni act in a racist manner?

To me, he might not have handled the matter in the best way possible, but it feels like Pretorius is making a mountain out of a molehill. Suck it up and get on with life, nobody would have even known what happened in that meeting if it wasn't for this complaint. What do you guys think?

This is exactly why you should fight government's intention to silence the media. You have a right to be informed! This is the only way that we can fight corruption.

[msmoorad]

here dave

there an article on the Euro on henrymakow.com
im doing a copy n paste
i know it does not answer the question u asked but im sure you will enjoy it:

Will Eurozone Survive or Humanity?
November 4, 2011

left. EU Parliament modeled on Tower of Babel

The Eurozone is dysfunctional
but it is a cornerstone of the Masonic Jewish
(Illuminati) Bankers' World Government.
They plan to use this crisis
to transform a monetary union into a fiscal and
political behemoth ruled by them.







"Echoing Angela Merkels call for a more united Europe, European Central Bank president Jean Claude Trichet calls for further fiscal and monetary consolidation of EMU countries.

Talking about the current EMU crisis, which he characterizes as "the gravest crisis since World War I" , he calls for further financial consolidation which, he hopes, would stabilize the economies of the members of EMU." Source




by Anthony Migchels
(henrymakow.com)






A lot has been said about the Euro's problems, most from a purely economic standpoint. It is clear that the imbalances that the Euro created in Europe are not sustainable.


Germany and its satellites (Netherlands, Finland, Austria) are much more competitive than Club Med. Because of the Euro the latter group of nations cannot devalue their currencies resulting in trade deficits and net capital out flow to the North.


Therefore the Euro's existence depends on a permanent bail out mechanism for the South which not sustainable.


But economics are of lesser import here. The Euro was not created to build wealth but as a step toward a World Currency. To rule the world, one must first rule Europe. Clearly, the Euro is the central bankers' pet project.


GRADUAL PROCESS


The current crisis is not at all unexpected. The Eurocrats couldn't get their coveted Federation in 1992, at the time of the Maastricht Treaty so they had to settle for the Euro.


They reasoned the 'right major crises' would pop up at some point, making clear that monetary union without fiscal union is impossible. They expect the nation states of Europe to surrender fiscal sovereignty to save the Euro.


In a recent article, an insider journalist, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, exposed this process:


"Certain architects of EMU calculated that the single currency would itself become the catalyst for a quantum leap in integration that could not be achieved otherwise..... This was the Monnet Method of fait accompli and facts on the ground. These great manipulators of Europe's destiny may yet succeed, but so far the crisis is not been remotely beneficial."


He ends his intriguing report with the point that, "I think it is fair to say events are unfolding more or less as we expected."




WILL THE EURO FAIL?


If you look at the economic data, IT SHOULD. But if you realize the world is run by a few bankers who want World Government, with a World Currency the answer is 'no'.


However, over the last two years, the Eurocrats have suffered badly. The popular resistance, both in the North and the South, is dramatic. Recently, the German Supreme Court allowed Merkel to go ahead with what had been done, but clearly reprimanded her for the lack of democratic legitimacy and the breach of the Maastricht Treaty, which does not allow fiscal or bond cooperation.


What happens if Greece leaves the Euro? Could they ever allow Romania, Bulgaria, and all these other second-rate nations in if even Greece couldn't deal with the Euro's dynamics? How would they ever sell World Currency if they cannot even make the Euro work?


Their biggest problem is that they lack all legitimacy. In 2005, France and the Netherlands rejected their 'European Constitution' by a resounding 60-40 margin. They pushed ahead with Lisbon anyway, but this was a disaster.


They need the popular vote. The Protocols make clear they need to say: 'you wanted this, you voted for it'. Without this legitimacy, they face revolt at any time. They can't push ahead if the underlying treaties and laws were never accepted by the populace.


So when Papandreou calls a referendum and 'the markets' and Merkozy are in total shock, what does this show? It just exposes the quicksand under their feet.


They know this, but they are losing. They are losing the battle for the mind and they are pushing ahead because they have no other way.


WORLD GOVERNMENT AT STAKE


This whole European mess represents massive crisis for mankind. If the Euro fails, a death blow will be landed on their NWO project. It will take them decades to recover and resume the march to World Government. But they don't have this time, because people are waking up.


True, the Occupiers are still largely clueless, but in Europe, where austerity is already biting badly, people are being forced to look for answers. There is talk of debt repudiation; there is the Icelandic example and there is of course interest free currency. In Germany dozens of regional currencies are flowering: they report 100% per annum growth.


It is now more important then ever to start talking solutions. We must keep in mind that this credit crunch is a total fabrication that could be solved over night.


Interest free currency is the main solution. Debt free Government currencies are a quick fix, but far from ideal. Much better is Public Banking, which is interest free credit provided by state-owned banks. But eventually the Illuminati (Masonic Jewish) monopoly of currencies must end.


With the Oceans on the brink of collapse after Deep Horizon and Fukushima, with the Credit Crunch, with (HAARP induced) earthquakes everywhere and wars and rumors of wars its fair to say the NWO is preparing for their endgame.


But seeing their weakness in Europe, the result is not a foregone conclusion.


The challenge is to provide real alternatives. It is not enough to expose them. They expect a fight, but they expect to succeed,because they don't think we can create the right solutions.


Jacques Attali, another insider: 'Most of these new contestants will propose no system of substitution... Except for a handful who will propose a return to theocracy.'


So we know what to do. Let's get going.

--
Related - Greek Game-plan Revealed by Freemason?

Further reading:

http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/reassessing-the-greenback-and-other-alternative-monetary-systems/

http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/for-self-determination-we-need-free-currencies/

The first article is an in depth analysis of Government controlled currencies (the Greenback, Social Credit, Public Banking).

The second explores the idea of a free market for currencies, so that the users of the money have a choice.


Anthony Migchels is an Interest-Free Currency activist and founder of the Gelre, the first Regional Currency in the Netherlands. You can read all of his articles on his blog Real Currencies

[Frankincense]

@Tec0 -"The people has the power always had the power" ..no...i will refer to a book which you may consider crap, but still, i will to explain something:

Even Christ was offered all by Satan on the mountain, coz ownership of all was given to darkness for a period. The humans were never given power over earth. Thats why you see governments come and go, revolutions come and go...but the earth has not become more loyal, more kinder. This power you speak of, even if some humans revolt against the banks as is happening now, they will be tortured / accused / abused /imprisoned and many killed. It's not something a human revolution will ever accomplish, though there are/will be killing. The destruction of the 666 network currently being developed by the very same banks (business's of satan) can only be ended once its purpose is fulfilled. The destruction will also be divine, not human. Even if you don't agree, i care less. This is my interpretation and work.

You still seem to believe in governmental concepts such as democracy / socialism / communism as if they have an influence on what really matters? Monarchy / republic / democracy...never changed anything...everybody is under the same bank, even the governments!

Its not bad that you feel humans can do something, but humbly one needs to accept reality that some things are meant to be the way they are and no smart ass idea will change that. Some of us want to hear a solution to every problem, but to this problem of your banks and your flesh, all humans can do is die or look to divinity and many dont like that solution, so the blabbering continues with foolish solutions. banks dont even need your money nor business anymore. All they need is to regulate that there will be no buying or selling without them. Thats very achievable already as no one in SA may earn wages/a living without an account number. Some banks even pay you to open an account now. They have way more money that you can imagine.'You seem to think banks are like little spaza shops on the corner of the road where if we all ''stand together'' we can put them out of business! Please contextualise your thoughts to increase your understanding. Absolute foolishness.

Hope you realise Divinity has a huge part in this solution, if not....you are on your own.

You are free!

[Frankincense]

as for the EU and currency issues...we have heard the international bankers would like a single currency on the chips. Naturally the SDR of the IMF & World bank are considered fitting to replace dollar / Euro / Yen /Other

Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) are supplementary foreign exchange reserve assets defined and maintained by the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Not a currency, SDRs instead represent a claim to currency held by IMF member countries for which they may be exchanged.[1] As they can only be exchanged for Euros, Japanese yen, UK pounds, or US dollars,[imf 1] SDRs may actually represent a potential claim on IMF member countries' nongold foreign exchange reserve assets, which are usually held in those currencies. While they may appear to have a far more important part to play, or, perhaps, an important future role, being the unit of account for the IMF has long been the main function of the SDR

..point is irrespective of the fiscal monitory unification you see taking place, with some even beliveing its a crisis, the end goal is the same, one world currency control. These are calculated crises meant to fulfil a purpose. All belong on same mainframe. binary code differences and name tagging of digits is irrelevant.

[tec0]

Francois > Well if you think you are alone in the world then so bit. I cannot change that point of view.

@Tec0 -"The people has the power always had the power" ..no...i will refer to a book which you may consider crap, but still, i will to explain something:

ouch...

The destruction of the 666 network currently being developed by the very same banks (business's of satan) can only be ended once its purpose is fulfilled. The destruction will also be divine, not human. Even if you don't agree, i care less. This is my interpretation and work.

Allow me to explain a situation we are in today. A social structure needs law and order any structure does even a religious one. But all structures will maintain their meaning as long as humanity gives it a meaning. If we don't give it meaning it cannot be enforced.

You still seem to believe in governmental concepts such as democracy / socialism / communism as if they have an influence on what really matters? Monarchy / republic / democracy...never changed anything...everybody is under the same bank, even the governments!

You are only a slave to a ideal bank or no bank.

Its not bad that you feel humans can do something, but humbly one needs to accept reality that some things are meant to be the way they are and no smart ass idea will change that.

The nuclear age changed everything.

Some of us want to hear a solution to every problem, but to this problem of your banks and your flesh, all humans can do is die or look to divinity and many dont like that solution, so the blabbering continues with foolish solutions.

Why do you wish us to be so powerless? Seriously nay-saying never helps any situation.

They have way more money that you can imagine.'You seem to think banks are like little spaza shops on the corner of the road where if we all ''stand together'' we can put them out of business! Please contextualise your thoughts to increase your understanding. Absolute foolishness.

I can imagine a world without money or the need of currency. That is the point I am making and advocating. You seem to forget that we as humans came a long way. We have the knowledge and capability to realise that social structure can be maintained if everyone did their part. This can start with something as simple as a condom or something as brilliant as ColdFusion.

When something moves from an ideal to a concept. What follows is realisation and with it minds will change people will work towards it because it holds a promise to sustainability. Sustainability IS a priority to survival thus a key to human nature.

Hope you realise Divinity has a huge part in this solution, if not....you are on your own.

I hate it when people play this hand. Seriously it is always if you are not with us you are on your own. Or the newest version of that is "if you are not with us you are against us" If that is your attitude sir then don't worry about the banks, the devil and evil and hate or pain because you are doing a fine job on your own.

Dividing people and branding them does much more damage then you care to realise. So whatever Francois... Then I am on my own.

I rather dismiss group mentality and think for myself thanks...

[Blurock]

If only a fraction of the time and effort spent on all this negative energy could be channeled into improving the life of only one person, the world would already be a better place.

[Frankincense]

Time will illustrate all I have said. I am explaining that some problems we face have no solution to make them go away. Its not for us to remove this obstacle. If you want to feel all powerful and have an attitude of ''together we can change the world'' feel free...its not gonna happen...but many are trying and many will be killed. thats not nay saying, its my interpretation of prophecy. Once again...as the time goes on, we shall see who was on point. We either accept its regulations or revolt. It is literally ''choose your side'' event on the rise. i cannot argue with that. You cannot say ''we give it meaning, if we dont the problem has gone'' ...some things are in place...like a tree...whether or not we choose to give it meaning or not, does not remove its existence. Banks will cause all rich n poor, free n bond...there's no ''oh, just imagine it has no meaning'' Thats Fantasy not reality. Stop thinking humans can solve all their own problems alone. Thats not group thinking either, its common sense. history will bear testimony to what i say here. You speak of a nuclear age changing something...all it did was give humans more responsibility to remain calm, but never changed anything, never made anyone more loyal, kinder. The primary purpose of all this financial crises and introduction of finacial controls is to divide the people. Depending on which side you find yourself, your reward is waiting. I am merely showing the two sides here clearly, and as they exist, you can choose God or Money as the noose is tightened. Really a presonal choice...exile has always been a personal choice.

[Frankincense]

It was God who said ''If you are not for me, you are against me'' its really up to you to accept that or not...its not the latest commercial or ANCYL slogan...its a statement made and will stand the test of all time.

We are in this world together and as we share concerning our understandings, its proof we co-exist in one world.

Whatever the task may be, man may begin it but he cannot complete it, unless God sustains and supports him. If he fails to accomplish the task on which he has set out, having worked to the best of his ability, he is not to be maligned by being called lazy.

Man may, at the onset, control the direction which events take, but once his choice is made, events soon escape his control and history proceeds by its own force and momentum.

[Dave A]

One thing I expect we can agree on (except Francois, perhaps) - this Greek crisis probably puts an end to any thoughts of a singular world currency. It really does show the flaws inherent in such a scheme. If the establishment of the Euro was a cynical move towards establishing a New World Order, I think it's safe to say it has backfired.

Allow me to explain a situation we are in today. A social structure needs law and order any structure does even a religious one. But all structures will maintain their meaning as long as humanity gives it a meaning.

Touché. If you think about it, definitely as true for religions as it is for currency

[tec0]

Francois > In a way I give hope every chance I can. Choose between money or deity. Well no... Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Basically Newton's law on a epic scale.

Remember if you give someone nothing to live for they have nothing to lose. This is evident in these so called "religious" suicide-bombers. Now imagine you are right the supper rich take control and the supper poor just don't care anymore. It will be the war of wars. Nothing will stop them simply because they have nothing to fear and death is there only finality regardless of action.

Freedom will come at a highest price "the lives of the slain" but such is the price of freedom. I don't undervalue the importance of deity but one must not undervalue the human spirit and hope. Even if we stand to lose be tortured or murdered.

If you are right and the poor is dead and gone, the rich will become the norm and history will repeat itself again and again.

I just hope humanity can see past this and realise there are systems we simply don't need.

It was God who said ''If you are not for me, you are against me''

I am against the people that think they can speak on behalf of something they cannot begin to comprehend. AND judge others because they think they know better.

The only thing I follow is my own mind my own morality.

[wynn]

There is a movement in the US to punish the offending banks by moving all accounts out of the major national banks to community banks this is estimated to cost the major banks such as Bank of America billions of dollars.

[irneb]

... So there is no conspiracy, if seven billion people say screw the bank, the bank will be screwed. ...

Good point ... to a point
If you look at how it works, you notice that the "majority" never "make the rules", they simply allow a small minority to rule over them. I don't know what to call it, laziness, apathy, stupidity, fear, aversion to change, "loyalty", ignorance ... there's just too many possibilities. It's probably a combination of all those.

Look through history, no government actually consisted of the majority - not even the ancient Athenians, who had their forum consisting of the landowners only (no slaves and no serfs, none of those making up the great majority of the Athens population at the time). Even if it was started "by the people, for the people" it ended up with a ruling class who were "right even if they're wrong", which is the case now in America (and IMO every other country as well). And then even to show it more clearly, the majority never started a revolution. There was always some group (usually rather small, but never even approaching some majority number) who swept up the masses to topple the existing regime - note this small group then ended up becoming the new regime. They may even have had all the best intentions when they started the revolution, but if they didn't become the thing they designed the destruction of, they became even worse.

Until the sheep mentality of the masses (i.e. the axiom of a mob is only as smart as its most stupid member) can be overcome, a "majority rule" is simply impossible. It only needs some sweet talking politician figurehead to change their perception of the truth - as an example. There are several other ways such overruling class can keep "letting you have their way", if all else fails then "martial law" - which usually then precedes a revolution.

Strange though how the people who are deemed to be the behind-the-scenes government never seem to change. Even after revolutions they still remain. That's the essence of why they "let" a figurehead government do their job for them. Give the people a target for when they get fed up with the situation. Then send in a new batch of figureheads to start sweeping the people into a revolution before they do so for themselves. Then let them destroy that old target to vent their anger, and you get a result of newly docile and malleable mobs - easy to govern again. Even more so since your new figurehead appears to be the hero who defeated the "demon".

In the days of the European colonies, there was a concept of the "Great Game" (probably still is). This was indicated as the separate countries trying to out do each other by owning the most and most prosperous colonies. You could see it as an early form of the cold war. Or rather, that's what the masses were intended to believe. If not for the foundations built by the colonization then this current move towards globalization would have been a near impossibility.

This is exactly why you should fight government's intention to silence the media. You have a right to be informed! This is the only way that we can fight corruption.

Yes, but what if the media is already a tool of the government. Or rather the government behind the false façade called the government? If the media are truly separate from any such entities I'd say Yay! They should be free to print / say / show anything they can to indicate wrongful doings by the "government". Unfortunately most (if not all) media are also owned by someone (or even such government directly or indirectly), to say that such media do not have any agenda of their own is ignorant.

I'm always a bit concerned when a government vilifies any other entity. Especially if such government is having trouble at the time. It's a way of putting someone forward as "being a antagonist of the regime" - by the regime. But how would anyone else know if that entity is only a lackey of the very same regime they purport to expose? Do you really think the powers behind the "powers that appear to be" are stupid enough not to have thought of such?

[tec0]

From "Hands Held High" by Linkin Park

Like this war's really just a different brand of war
Like it doesn't cater the rich and abandon poor

Like they understand you in the back of the jet
When you can't put gas in your tank

These f*cker$ are laughing their way to the bank and cashing the cheque
Asking you to have compassion and have some respect

On the back, he hand-wrote a quote inside
When the rich wage war it's the poor who die

Meanwhile, the leader just talks away
Stuttering and mumbling for nightly news to replay

And the rest of the world watching at the end of the day
both scared and angry like "what did he say?"

Regardless of what the people said the process is started and forcing the new road toll system on to South Africans is in process. One don't think they considered the working class. Yes taxis are free to roam the roads... That said the petrol being transported will still pay. So eventually one will feel it as food becomes more expensive and the list will go on.

That said people will call themselves into action as their families suffer and as seen in townships a movement will go forth and those responsible will find themselves outnumbered in the end they always do. Make no mistake, as shown on the news in this song, it is in music it is held by the internet culture to put forth the truth and give people the desire to be free.

[Justloadit]

While you still have something to lose, you will continue to press on trying to make ends meet, then that one day, whatever you had is lost, is the day of reckoning. In my book that day is not far off, I can feel the tension around the city

[tec0]

Pick your date, pick your century there is always a war there is always some kind of revolt or confusion and a benefactor at work. Dominance is and will always be part of life "until we can do away with a few useless systems that is..."

The process will repeat itself until it change. There is no conspiracy here, corruption yes there is corruption. Yes things will change in order to sustain life and that is fact. Self preservation demands it.