A peek inside the SA Reserve Bank

[tec0]

where did you search?

did u use only "authentic" & "accredited" sources?

if so, thats where the problem lies

also the tem "anti-semite" is applied to anyone who speaks the truth abouth the zionist control/influence of govt, mainstream media & finance/banking.

a very good site: henrymakow.com

the conspiracy here is that the truth is in front of us but people are so brainwashed they cant see it.

Aborted Babies Sold as Health Food is just one of the many things that is going completely wrong in this world. Now some will tell you it is mister Big fish and there subs that are responsible for this horrific human behaviour!

Here is the problem, Right now in some countries baby girls are being aborted because it is said "it is not even fact!" they carry little to no genetics yet enough to make sure the race will survive. The world needs less people yes but this is not the way to do it.

So what is at play here? Big corporations breeding mindless slaves? On almost every TV show it is the homosexual that is the successful host? Do you think people enjoy watching stuff like that? I don't...

So what is the conspiracy?

I don't see a conspiracy... I see the very worst of human nature taking its course... More importantly I see the human ego at work here. And that is more scary then any conspiracy you can imagine.

The world is so very wrong in so many ways that we need to re-evaluate a lot of systems; Nurture, Nature, behaviour, law and education needs to be looked at. Again no conspiracy just we need to re-establish the basics otherwise there will not be a world left.

[Blurock]

I don't see a conspiracy... I see the very worst of human nature taking its course... More importantly I see the human ego at work here. And that is more scary then any conspiracy you can imagine.

The world is so very wrong in so many ways that we need to re-evaluate a lot of systems; Nurture, Nature, behaviour, law and education needs to be looked at. Again no conspiracy just we need to re-establish the basics otherwise there will not be a world left.

Maybe prejudice is a better word. I have to agree with Tec0 that we need to have a serious look at our value systems. What has happened to mutual respect and "treat everyone as you want to be treated?"

I hope this does not sound like a sermon, but here is my humble opinion;
Because some Muslims are planting bombs, do we have to regard all of them as terrorists? Do we have to regard all Jews as crooks because some of them have unscrupulous business practices?

The history of the British empire will show that they at some point have made war against the whole world and have committed many atrocities in the process. In our own country our women and children have died in their concentration camps. Do we forever have to hold a grudge against every Brit that we encounter? Likewise the German death camps is in Germany's past, it is not part of their current culture.

It is human nature to put the blame for all that's bad on someone else. All communities and all nations have good and bad elements. Concentrating on the bad will not make the world better. Let's report the bad, but let the garbage truck drive off. Do not climb aboard.

[msmoorad]

Maybe prejudice is a better word. I have to agree with Tec0 that we need to have a serious look at our value systems. What has happened to mutual respect and "treat everyone as you want to be treated?"

I hope this does not sound like a sermon, but here is my humble opinion;
Because some Muslims are planting bombs, do we have to regard all of them as terrorists? Do we have to regard all Jews as crooks because some of them have unscrupulous business practices?

The history of the British empire will show that they at some point have made war against the whole world and have committed many atrocities in the process. In our own country our women and children have died in their concentration camps. Do we forever have to hold a grudge against every Brit that we encounter? Likewise the German death camps is in Germany's past, it is not part of their current culture.

It is human nature to put the blame for all that's bad on someone else. All communities and all nations have good and bad elements. Concentrating on the bad will not make the world better. Let's report the bad, but let the garbage truck drive off. Do not climb aboard.

guys

nobody is saying ALL muslims, Jews or Brits & Germans are bad

when it comes to muslims- since most of the oil & natural gas(and other natural resources) are under muslim soil- the zionist controlled west is doing everything they can to make it seem as if those who resist illegal occupation of their land & stealing of their property as the bad guys.

and those jews who remain silent while their brethren steal, loot, rob, & get others to kill & die for them as just as guilty- cos they dont speak out against this
they are like silent partners.

the British colonial expeditions to colonise the world and steal its wealth was not the work of ONLY the Brits- the Rothcshild (and other) banking families had intermarried amonst the European royalty & aristocracy
they lent money on interest to these colonial govts to fund their expeditions & in return received shares in whatever was gained.

again, do some research-Hitler was funded by the zionist intl bankers.
how could the zionists get millions of jews who were living comfortable lives in Europe, to leave everything & go to live in the desert?
they had to be made to believe that they were going to ALL be killed.

these zionists sacrificed some of their own brethrens lives for the "greater good".

actually, almost all germans are very good people
they are made to feel guilty for something thats not true.

regarding the Holohoax- there was not even 6 mil Jews altogether in the world at that time- so where did the figure come from?
like Norman Finkelstein asks " if every old Jew is a Holocaust survivor, the who the hell did Hitler kill?"

theres another whole history behind the history we were all taught in school & believe to be true.
thats why its so hard to believe some of the things that are coming to light these days.

i understand what youre saying but we have to get our facts straight & ALL be on the same page.
otherwise we will be blaming the wrong people & looking in the wrong direction if/when we do decide that weve had enough & want to put an end to the evil & injustice.

[Dave A]

I rest my case on the importance of paradigms

[msmoorad]

ITS NOT ABOUT THE SA RESERVE BANK- BUT THIS IS ALL RELATED
PART OF THE BIG PICTURE.


Turkey's "Donmeh" are the Illuminati Prototype
November 1, 2011



(l. "Young Turkey." Kemal Attaturk and fellow Donmeh Jews who took over Turkey by pretending to be Muslim.)

Who are the Illuminati? The term seems fanciful and elusive. By exposing their handiwork in Turkey, Wayne Madsen identifies the satanic cult that has hijacked the world.



by Henry Makow Ph.D.


In a revealing article Wayne Madsen argues that recent Turkish-Israel friction is due to Turkey reclaiming its Islamic character from the "Donmeh", the crypto Jews who overthrew the Ottoman Sultan in 1908 and turned Turkey into a "secular" state.

The attack on the Gaza flotilla was in retaliation for Turkey jailing several top Turkish military officers, journalists and academics accused of being part of the Donmeh plot to overthrow the AKP government in 2003.

In a second article, he argues that the Ibn Saud dynasty is also Donmeh. Their fundamentalist Wahhabi religion was intended to sow division in Islam. This accounts for Saudi support for the establishment of Israel and a recent warming of relations.

The example of the Donmeh extends far beyond the Middle East. The Donmeh are part of the original Illuminati. They are Cabalistic Jews, Sabbatean Frankists, Satanists. Everything Madsen says about the Donmeh in Turkey also applies to the Bolsheviks in Russia and to the Illuminati in the United States, England, France, Germany and most of the world.

(Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Turkish PM, left, possibly the only not-false opposition in the world.)

The real history of the modern world is its (political, economic, cultural and spiritual) takeover by this satanic cult. On the other hand, Turkey's ability to overthrow Donmeh control and reclaim its national destiny is a hopeful sign and inspiration.

This cult will do everything it can to be invisible and to divert our opposition elsewhere. That's why it's more important than ever to identify it.


LEARNING ABOUT THE DONMEH

The Donmeh are the Marranos of Turkey. The Donmeh are "a sect of Turks descended from a group of Sephardic Jews who were expelled from
Spain during the Spanish Inquisition in the 16th and 17th Centuries."

They pretended to convert to Islam but in fact practised the Cabalist Satanism of Sabbatai Zvi and advanced a "secular" and Zionist agenda.

Just as their Bolshevik counterparts were attempting a revolution in Russia in 1905, the Donmeh organized themselves as "Young Turks" and deposed the Ottoman Sultan Abdulhammid II in 1908.

The Sultan was vilified but his only crime was refusing Zionist bribes to hand over Palestine. "The Jews may keep their money and their millions.." he said. "I cannot sell what is not mine. It belongs to the entire Islamic nation."

Does this sound familiar? Arab leader thwarts Illuminati plans. Suddenly he is deposed in a convenient "revolution." Power to the people! Freedom! Abdulhammid dies in jail.

Turkey is stripped of its Islamic identity in the name of "secularism." Secularism is a transitory step to satanism.

Sound familiar to Christians living in Europe and the US?

Madsen says the Donmeh "may have represented 1.5 million Turks and [their power] extended to every facet of Turkish life." Familiar?

Just as the Bolsheviks would massacre Christians and raze churches, the Donmeh slaughtered the Armenians, who were Christians and represented competition. This was the first modern genocide. Between one and 1.5 million people were killed. According to Wikipedia:

"The starting date of the genocide is conventionally held to be April 24, 1915, the day when Ottoman authorities arrested some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople. Thereafter, the Ottoman military uprooted Armenians from their homes and forced them to march for hundreds of miles, depriving them of food and water, to the desert of what is now Syria. Massacres were indiscriminate of age or gender, with rape and other sexual abuse commonplace."

Tallaat Pasha (1874-1921), the "Donmeh Interior Minister of Turkey during World War I and Grand Master of the Scottish Rite Masons in Turkey was the chief architect of the Armenian Holocaust. He wrote, "By continuing the deportation of the Armenians to their destinations during the intense cold we are ensuring their eternal rest."

The "Young Turks" also expelled Greek Christians from Turkish cities and attempted a smaller scale genocide of Assyrians who were also mainly Christian, writes Madsen.

The Armenian Genocide foreshadowed the massacre of Christians in Russia, the Ukrainian Holodomor, and other Communist (Illuminati) atrocities in China, Cambodia and during World War Two (Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima etc.)

It also foreshadowed the Jewish holocaust, where the Illuminati Jews sacrificed "their lesser brethren" (non-Sabbatean Jews) in order to reap the capital (moral and otherwise) needed to establish the Sabbatean State of Israel.

The Illuminati's bloodstained past does not augur well for the future.

("W" with his Talmud)

CONCLUSION

My hunch is that the Illuminati follows the Donmeh pattern. They are Cabalist Jews, half-Jews and crypto Jews. They appear to include generational satanists from all other ethnic backgrounds. They form a Masonic or Cabalist secret society and participate in satanic rituals like human sacrifice.

There is no question that this cult controls Europe, the USA, Canada and Australia. It probably controls Russia, China, India, Japan and South America too.

Most American Presidents belong to the Illuminati. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Johnson etc. All GOP Presidential candidates must belong to this club. Herman Cain is a Master Mason in Prince Hall Masonry. So is Obama. Bush and Kerry were both Skull and Bones.

It's easy to get distracted, to blame capitalism or socialism and reduce the debate to that. The debate is between God and Lucifer and the people who represent them.

The Illuminati represent Lucifer and they have pretty much taken over. They control the banks and corporations, the government, education and the mass media. We are in the late stages of a long-term conspiracy.

But if Turkey can throw off their bondage, perhaps we can too. The first step is to identify the foe and not be distracted by their stratagems.


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Related - Crypto Jews, Turkey and 9-11

Makow - The Satanic Cult that Rules the World

source:

http://savethemales.ca/

[Dave A]

At this rate speculation about a new species of amoeba emerging from the depths of the ocean is going to be part of the big picture too. Probably time to try to get this thread back somewhere close to ontrack. So...

Could the Rothschild conspiracy theorists be considered a cult?

EDIT: Oh yes - and who controls the Euro?
(for the second time of asking).

[wynn]

EDIT: Oh yes - and who controls the Euro?
(for the second time of asking).

The Greeks!!! :-)

[msmoorad]

no, Dave

its the same Rothschild gang.
and their cronies
its not always obvious- so many layers to look behind before you find their names anywhere.
and most of the time-their names are amongst those that are on secret/classified/confidential etc lists

Europe is where the Rothschild financial empire originated

[Dave A]

But there are no private shareholders?

I thought it was the private shareholding that was the problem with the SA Reserve Bank, the US Federal Reserve etc.

[msmoorad]

there are private shareholders
to avoid any unwanted exposure or conflict- its nothing for them to fabricate authentic looking reports etc that show everthing to be above board
also, it comes down to this:
who exactly are the peope behind every corporation/business entity that they list as shareholders?
just another layer to confuse people
all smoke n mirrors.

if anyone had the time, money & access to all the necessary info, youd see that its just the same handful of people/families

heres another article that shows how most of the big companies are inter-related/linked:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news

you can see its Barclays at #1 spot- they are directly controlled by the Rothschilds.


do you honestly think theyre that stupid to not know how to fool people?
they didnt get where they are by being oblivious to whats going on around them
on the contrary, they are always one step ahead

i know youre just patronising me but if you dont want to see it or expect them to confess/come clean
then carry on being blissfully ignorant

you guys have too much faith in the "system" & the words of those regarded as the authority.

[msmoorad]

im going to paste an article from henrymakow.com
i think its very related to our Reserve bank & the Rothschilds:

The "Jewish" Conspiracy is British Imperialism
May 30, 2004


Conspiracy theorists like myself believe modern history reflects a long-term conspiracy by an international financial elite to enslave humanity.

Like blind men examining an elephant, we attribute this conspiracy to Jews, Illuminati, Vatican, Jesuits, Freemasons, Black Nobility, and Bildersbergs etc.

The real villains are at the heart of our economic and cultural life. They are the dynastic families who own the Bank of England, the US Federal Reserve and associated cartels. They also control the World Bank and IMF and most of the world's Intelligence agencies. Their identity is secret but Rothschild is certainly one of them. The Bank of England was "nationalized" in 1946 but the power to create money remained in the same hands.

England is in fact a financial oligarchy run by the "Crown" which refers to the "City of London" not the Queen. The City of London is run by the Bank of England, a private corporation. The square-mile-large City is a sovereign state located in the heart of greater London. As the "Vatican of the financial world," the City is not subject to British law.

On the contrary, the bankers dictate to the British Parliament. In 1886, Andrew Carnegie wrote that, "six or seven men can plunge the nation into war without consulting Parliament at all." Vincent Vickers, a director of the Bank of England from 1910-1919 blamed the City for the wars of the world. ("Economic Tribulation" (1940) cited in Knuth, The Empire of the City, 1943, p 60)

The British Empire was an extension of bankers' financial interests. Indeed, all the non-white colonies (India, Hong Kong, Gibraltar) were "Crown Colonies." They belonged to the City and were not subject to British law although Englishmen were expected to conquer and pay for them.

The Bank of England assumed control of the U.S. during the T.R. Roosevelt administration (1901-1909) when its agent J.P. Morgan took over 25% of American business. (Anton Chaitkin, Treason in America, 1964)

According to the "American Almanac," the bankers are part of a network called the "Club of the Isles" which is an informal association of predominantly European-based royal households including the Queen. The Club of the Isles commands an estimated $10 trillion in assets. It lords over such corporate giants as Royal Dutch Shell, Imperial Chemical Industries, Lloyds of London, Unilever, Lonrho, Rio Tinto Zinc, and Anglo American DeBeers. It dominates the world supply of petroleum, gold, diamonds, and many other vital raw materials; and deploys these assets at the disposal of its geopolitical agenda.

Its goal: to reduce the human population from its current level of over 5 billion people to below 1 billion people within the next two to three generations; to literally ``cull the human herd'' in the interest of retaining their own global power and the feudal system upon which that power is based.

Historian Jeffrey Steinberg could be referring to the US, Canada and Australia when he writes, "England, Scotland, Wales, and, especially, Northern Ireland, are today little more than slave plantations and social engineering laboratories, serving the needs of ...the City of London...

These families constitute a financier oligarchy; they are the power behind the Windsor throne. They view themselves as the heirs to the Venetian oligarchy, which infiltrated and subverted England from the period 1509-1715, and established a new, more virulent, Anglo-Dutch-Swiss strain of the oligarchic system of imperial Babylon, Persia, Rome, and Byzantium....

The City of London dominates the world's speculative markets. A tightly interlocking group of corporations, involved in raw materials extraction, finance, insurance, transportation, and food production, controls the lion's share of the world market, and exerts virtual ``choke point'' control over world industry."

Steinberg belongs to a group of historians associated with economist Lyndon Larouche. They have traced this scourge to the migration of the Venetian mercantile oligarchy to England more than 300 years ago.

Although the Larouche historians do not say so, it appears that many members of this oligarchy were Jews. Cecil Roth writes: "The trade of Venice was overwhelmingly concentrated in the hands of the Jews, the wealthiest of the mercantile class." (The History of the Jews in Venice, 1930)

As William Guy Carr points out in Pawns in the Game, both Oliver Cromwell and William of Orange were funded by Jewish bankers. The English Revolution (1649) was the first in a series of revolutions designed to give them world hegemony. The establishment of the Bank of England by William in 1694 was the next crucial step. Behind the facade, England has been a "Jewish" state for over 300 years. (pp.20-24)

The Jewish banking families made it a practice to marry their female offspring to spendthrift European aristocrats. In Jewish law, the mixed offspring of a Jewish mother is Jewish. (The male heirs marry Jews although the Victor and Jacob Rothschild are exceptions .) For example, in 1878 Hannah Rothschild married Lord Rosebery. who later became Prime Minister. In 1922 Louis Mountbatten, the uncle of Prince Philip and cousin of the Queen married the granddaughter of Jewish banker Ernest Cassel, one of the wealthiest men in the world. Winston Churchill's mother, Jenny (Jacobson) Jerome, was Jewish. By the beginning of the 1900s, there were very few English aristocrat families left that hadn't intermarried with Jews. It was said that, when they visited the Continent, Europeans were surprised to see Jewish looking persons with English titles and accents.

According to L.G. Pine, the Editor of Burke's Peerage , Jews "have made themselves so closely connected with the British peerage that the two classes are unlikely to suffer loss which is not mutual. So closely linked are the Jews and the lords that a blow against the Jews in this country would not be possible without injuring the aristocracy also." (Tales of the British Aristocracy1957, p.219.)

If they aren't Jewish by intermarriage, many European aristocrats consider themselves descendents of Biblical Hebrews. The Hapsburgs are related by marriage to the Merovingians who claim to be descendents of the Tribe of Benjamin.

In addition, many aristocrats belong to the "British Israel" Movement that believes the British soveriegn is the head of the Anglo Saxon "Lost Tribes" of Israel and that the Apocalyse will see the full reconstitution of the British Empire.

According to Barbara Aho, Rosicrucians and Freemasons, who believe in British Israelism, have a plan to place one of their bloodline on the throne of the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. This positioning of a false messiah whom the world will worship as Christ has been carefully planned and executed over many centuries.

According to Barry Chamish, "there would be no modern state of Israel without British Freemasonry. In the 1860s, the British-Israelite movement was initiated from within Freemasonry. Its goal was to establish a Jewish-Masonic state in the Turkish province of Palestine...Initially, British Jewish Masonic families like the Rothschilds and Montefiores provided the capital to build the infrastructure for the anticipated wave of immigration. However, luring the Jews to Israel was proving difficult. They, simply, liked European life too much to abandon it. So Europe was to be turned into a nightmare for the Jews."

CONCLUSION

I wasted much of my life getting a conventional education, so I feel I am beginning my education anew.

It appears that a vampire-like clique directs the world. This secretive cabal is represented by our dominant political, economic and cultural institutions. Western society has been subverted and western culture is bankrupt. Democracy is a form of social control and the mass media/ education are systems for indoctrination.

Essentially the problem boils down to whether we believe man was made in God's image and has an obligation to lift himself to a higher level of truth, beauty and justice. Naturally monopolists have no use for this and want to define reality to suit their own interests. They have taught us that God is dead and man is just a fancy animal without a divine soul. Culture today tends to deny standards, ideals and goals of any kind. Instead, we are fed an endless diet of trivia and degradation.

Certain elite Jews are an integral part of this elite neo feudal conspiracy. Throughout history they have had a symbiotic relationship with the aristocracy. But ordinary Jews like the serfs were manipulated and persecuted by their elites.

True Judaism like Islam and Christianity affirms the supremacy of God as a moral force. A real Jew, like a true Christian or Muslim cannot perform an immoral act. It's time to reaffirm our belief in God.

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See also my "Winston Churchill, Illuminati"

See also my "The Riddle of Anti Semitism"

See also my "Is the New World Order Jewish?"

HG Wells' "The world state as extension of British Empire"

A History of Jewish Power in England

See also The Bnai Brith as British Imperialist Asset

See Also "Rothschild Churchil and the Final Solution" by Clifford Shack

Related article: Rixon Steward's Final Countdown

source:http://savethemales.ca/000447.html

[Dave A]

Its goal: to reduce the human population from its current level of over 5 billion people to below 1 billion people within the next two to three generations; to literally ``cull the human herd'' in the interest of retaining their own global power and the feudal system upon which that power is based.

They're not doing very well, are they. I believe we've broken through 7 billion recently.

[Frankincense]

Bloodshed is guaranteed...fret not...it's still gonna hit the fan....enablers hard at work...system check "ok"

You are free to do as we tell you

[irneb]

They're not doing very well, are they. I believe we've broken through 7 billion recently.

You'll note how the media have been advocating a certain idea for the last few decades: "The Green Movement".

If you follow all of its tenets logically, there's only one conclusion: "There are simply too much humans for this planet." That would be the reason (at least one of them) put forward for excusing such culling - awaiting the time when "public" (read media-mind-changing) opinion has swayed to such a level as to "allow" such "atrocity". I'm not saying they're "wrong" per-say, it's more like a bad pill to swallow as a solution to a problem they've created themselves.

One of the oldest conspiracy theories is the main tool used in this, even the fact that it's named as a conspiracy theory is part of the plan itself: Hegelian Dialectic ... note how simple this is? http://theconspiracyexposed.blogspot...em-create.html

[tec0]

Well in some cases people will say just about anything, firstly

Bloodshed is guaranteed...fret not...it's still gonna hit the fan....enablers hard at work...system check "ok"

You are free to do as we tell you

Well considering the age old tax law and basic law structure this part is already true. And for the better part I would imagine. Imagine if there were no laws? Hell on earth comes to mind...

A controlling body is not new you call them whatever you want.

But the answer can be found in a computer video game called Fallout 3. It is a brilliant game I recommend it highly. Firstly the concept of money is Nuka-cola bottle caps. It is accepted as money because people needed something to trade with and it was an easy answer. The same is true in our world.

If you want to screw the bank use something else and implement it as currency. See the point I am making is people are in power because the laws say so. They say that only X can be used as money and you can only get it at Y. In fallout 3 you get to discover that your morality is the law and anything else goes only if you allow it.

So there is no conspiracy, if seven billion people say screw the bank, the bank will be screwed. If seven billion people say give us weapons so that they can defend their right to life no government in the world can deny them.

The truth is we are in control the illusion is the world around one. The people has the power always had the power. That is why we call it a democracy.

Even the UN military consist of men and women with families, there morality and respective points of view. So if a bad order is given chances are it will be questioned.