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    Charlie Hebdo killings in France and "FREE SPEECH"

    "The name itself is a great example of how Charlie Hebdo has had to defend its radical free speech ideals against censorship: the magazine was initially called Hara-Kiri, but after publishing a joke about president de Gaulle's then-recent death in 1970, it was permanently banned from sales by France's minister of the interior. The magazine changed its name to Charlie Hebdo to escape the ban. "


    This magazine previously banned in France? can anyone verify the authenticity of the statement?

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    That's true. There had, just prior to de Gaulle's death, been a fire at a ball or dance that resulted in the death of more than a 100 people. Main stream media chose to ignore it and published only the de Gaulle issue. Hara-Kiri published an article that did the opposite; the article revealed society's tendency to give more weight to a single well-known death, rather than over a hundred ordinary people's death. The permanent banning followed a string of temporary one in the 60's.

    One of the contributors claimed that "Charlie" Hebdo was a reference to de Gaulle, while the others (seemingly to divert further attention) claimed it was a reference to Schultz's Charlie Brown (Schultz himself was Charles). The name thing wasn't instant, and was certainly not the first time that they did so. As far as I know, this is the cover of the first Hebdo Hara-Kiri. I guess the Charlie bit came directly after.
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    This was in 1970 when the winds of change of the 60's were blowing fierce, and poking a finger in establishment's eye was a risky (but popular) pastime. Of course the world has moved on and civilized nations accept parody and satire as just another check point.

    de Gaulle at the time was regarded by the French much as SA regards Madiba.

    Whatever, the banning can't ever be compared to murder?
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    Look at it from a different perspective: if a group of people continually goad another group who are prone to violence then they have to take part responsibility for the consequences. I am not saying that the killings were justified, hell no, but if you continue to taunt people then you shouldn't be surprised when they react.
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    Imagine if Voltaire was alive today, holy shit, his writings about the profit and Islam would have got him dead faster than JZ eats a KFC family feast.
    It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. Charles Darwin

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    Thanks Clive. just a minor point. All nations are today civilised.The Arabs are not tolerant when their prophet or religion is negatively portrayed again & again, and it is not them that take the fight directly to the doors of the magazine.Its this radical fringe which today is killing Muslims even today in Yemen. The vast majority of Muslims all over the world condemn such deeds and the world is beginning to understand this

    I think if somebody wants to mess around , do it to North Korea's Tim Jong. the worst that happens is that your internet is hacked

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    I have many Muslim clients and although most of them condemn some of the methods like suicide bombings they support the war against the West... so fringe fanatic or not, they all want their lands free of the infidels and they want the West to burn.


    Voltaire analysed Islam without being held back by modern political correctness... his work on the matter feels as if it was written yesterday.
    It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. Charles Darwin

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    Free speech is an illusion that people use to defend their own stupidity. How long will a pro-Nazi magazine last in Israel?

    The one thing that people continually overlook is that those cartoonists continually pulled the tigers tail....and now everybody condemns the tiger for biting their hands. They knew perfectly well that they were looking for $h1t.

    As I said before, I don't condone the actions of the militants but those cartoonists did exactly what the Isreali's did, and are still doing to the Palistinians, by continually taunting them and then claiming themselves to be the victims when they get a response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianh View Post
    Look at it from a different perspective: if a group of people continually goad another group who are prone to violence then they have to take part responsibility for the consequences. I am not saying that the killings were justified, hell no, but if you continue to taunt people then you shouldn't be surprised when they react.
    So what you're saying is it pays to be prone to violence.
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    Of course not, but if you poke a monkey with a stick enough times it will attack you!
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    So if you don't poke the monkey to show every one there idiotic ideals then it is better?
    Keeping quite allows the wrong people into power, hitler, bob, jm, jz, etc.......
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