The infamous Jacob Zuma painting

[Phil Cooper]

@ Clive .......... respect your opinion, but the majority of people seem to think it is distatefull. Personally I agree - if everyone was allowed to go around disrespecting your leader you would have anarchy. You will never get everyone to agree with a leader or someone with political opinions, but you still have to show some respect at the end of the day.

Kevin- I thought the whole idea of a democracy is that you can disrespect whom you wish?

Any political (or other) leader must EARN respect - and the way Zuma has acted sexually and in other ways soes NOTHING to gain my respect.

In fact, just the opposite.

[Citizen X]

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."


Clinton lied to his people but he still managed to be the come back kid, if you excuse the pun. It's really a matter of how you react.I'm glad that the ANC are no longer taking freedom of expression to court....

[Just Gone]

I'm not sure where it said that democracy gives you the right to disrespect whom you wish ? I do appreciate that you have the freedom to express your opinion. But surely this should still be done in a respectfull way !

I understand that you would not respect Zuma, but the same goes for the old apartheid Presidents - they also did things that people could not stand and not accept - you could not and should not have disrespected them this way either - and some of them gave me more reason to "disrespect" them !!

[Citizen X]

What is accepted as freedom of expression in the States. The maturity of our democracy..an illustration…


Warning: 16 N,L,S, & PG

1. Eminem and his alter ego ‘Slim Shady,’ gave new insight into what is really acceptable when it comes to freedom of expression. These songs were released some 15 years ago in the States! He insulted everyone from Michael Jackson, George Bush, Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears very directly, in very disdainful language. He expression his right to freedom of expression!
2. I direct your attention to 3 of his songs(certain lyrics) and I encourage you to ask yourself: Is our democracy as mature as the States when it comes to freedom of expression??
3. A) ‘My name is slim shady,’ ” Hi kids! Do you like violence? (yeah yeah yeah!)
Wanna see me stick nine inch nails through each one of my eyelids? (uh huh!)Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (yeah yeah!)
Try 'cid and get fucked up worse than my life is? (huh?)
My brain's dead weight, I'm tryin' to get my head straight
But I can't figure out which Spice Girl I want to impregnate (Ummmm..)
Dr. Dre said: "Slim Shady you a basehead."
Uh-uhhh! "Then why's ya face red, man you wasted"
Well since age 12 I've felt like I'm someone else
Cuz I hung my original self from the top bunk with a belt
Got pissed off and ripped Pamela Lee's tits off
And smacked her so hard I knocked her clothes backwards like Kris Kross
I smoke a fat pound of grass and fall on my ass
Faster than a fat bitch who sat down too fast
C'mere slut! (Shady, wait a minute, that's my girl dog!)
I don't give a fuck, God sent me to piss the world off
My English teacher wanted to have sex in junior high
Only problem was, my English teacher was a guy
I smacked him in his face with an eraser
Chased him with a stapler
And stapled his nuts to a stack of paper (Owwwwwwww!)
Walked in a strip club, had my jacket zipped up
Flashed the bartender and stuck my dick in the tip cup (Wsssshhhhh...)
Extraterrestrial, kill'n pedestrians
Rap'n lesbians while they're screamin' "LET'S JUST BE FRIENDS!"
99% of my life I was lied to
I just found out my mom does more dope than I do
I told her I'd grow up to be a famous rapper
Make a record about doin' drugs and name it after her (Oh thank you!)
You know you blew up when the women rush the stands
To try to touch your hands like some screamin' Usher fans (Aaahhhhhh!)
I just drank a fifth of vodka...dare me to drive? (Go 'head.)
All my life I was very deprived
I ain't had a woman in years, my palms are too hairy to hide
Clothes ripped like the Incredible Hulk
I spit when I talk, I'll fuck anything that walks (C'mere.)
When I was little I used to get so hungry I would throw fits
HOW YOU GONNA BREAST FEED ME MOM? YOU AIN'T GOT NO TITS!..”
4. On 25 October 2004, a week before the us presidential election, your truly released a video especially for George Bush, the video was clearly anti Bush. It’s a no brainer actually with lyrics such as , ‘Fuck Bush,’ and ‘this weapon of mass destruction that we call our president.’
5. B) ‘The real slim shady,’ “Y'all act like you never seen a white person before, Jaws all on the floor like Pam, like Tommy just burst in the door and started whoopin her ass worse than beforethey first were divorce, throwin her over furniture (Ahh!)
It's the return of the... "Ah, wait, no way, you're kidding,he didn't just say what I think he did, did he?...Sometimes, I wanna get on TV and just let loose, but can't
but it's cool for Tom Green to hump a dead moose
"My bum is on your lips, my bum is on your lips"And if I'm lucky, you might just give it a little kiss And that's the message that we deliver to little kids And expect them not to know what a woman's clitoris is
Of course they gonna know what intercourse is by the time they hit fourth grade
They got the Discovery Channel don't they?
"We ain't nothing but mammals.." Well, some of us cannibals
who cut other people open like cantaloupes
But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes
then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope
But if you feel like I feel, I got the antidote
Women wave your pantyhose, sing the chorus and it goes

Will Smith don't gotta cuss in his raps to sell his records;
well I do, so fuck him and fuck you too!
You think I give a damn about a Grammy?
Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me
"But Slim, what if you win, wouldn't it be weird?"
Why? So you guys could just lie to get me here?
So you can, sit me here next to Britney Spears?
Shit, Christina Aguilera better switch me chairs
so I can sit next to Carson Daly and Fred Durst
and hear 'em argue over who she gave head to first
You little bitch, put me on blast on MTV
"Yeah, he's cute, but I think he's married to Kim, hee-hee!"
I should download her audio on MP3
and show the whole world how you gave Eminem VD
I'm sick of you little girl and boy groups, all you do is annoy me
so I have been sent here to destroy you
And there's a million of us just like me
who cuss like me; who just don't give a fuck like me
who dress like me; walk, talk and act like me
and just might be the next best thing but not quite me!
I'm like a head trip to listen to, cause I'm only givin you
things you joke about with your friends inside your living room
The only difference is I got the balls to say it
in front of y'all and I don't gotta be false or sugarcoated at all
I just get on the mic and spit it
and whether you like to admit it just shit it
better than ninety percent of you rappers out can
Then you wonder how can kids eat up these albums like valiums
It's funny; cause at the rate I'm goin when I'm thirty
I'll be the only person in the nursin home flirting
Pinchin nurses asses when I'm jackin off with Jergens
And I'm jerkin but this whole bag of Viagra isn't working
And every single person is a Slim Shady lurkin..”


6. C) ‘Without Me,’





2 trailer park girls go round the outside
round the outside, round the outside
Guess whos back, back again
Shadys back, tell a friend
Guess who's back, guess who's back,
guess who's back
Guess who's back...

I've created a monster, cuz nobody wants to
see Marshall no more they want Shady I'm chopped liver
well if you want Shady, this is what I'll give ya
a little bit of weed mixed with some hard liquor
some vodka that'll jumpstart my heart quicker than a
shock when I get shocked at the hospital by the Dr. when I'm not cooperating
when I'm rocking the table while he's operating
you waited this long now stop debating cuz I'm back,
I'm on the rag and ovulating
I know that you got a job Ms. Cheney but your husband's heart problem's complicating
So the FCC wont let me be or let me be me so let me see
they tried to shut me down on MTV but it feels so empty without me
So come on and dip, bum on your lips fuck that,
cum on your lips and some on your tits and get ready cuz this shit's about to get heavy
I just settled all my lawsuits Fuck YOU DEBBIE!

Now this looks like a job for me so everybody just follow me
cuz we need a little controversy,
cuz it feels so empty without me

Little hellions kids feeling rebellious
embarrassed, their parents still listen to Elvis
they start feeling like prisoners, helpless,
'til someone comes along on a mission and yells "bitch"
A visionary, vision is scary, could start a revolution, pollutin the air waves a rebel
so let me just revel and bask, in the fact that I got everyone kissing my ass
and it's a disaster such a catastrophe for you to see so damn much of my ass you ask for me?
Well I'm back
fix your bent antennae tune it in and then I'm gonna
enter in and up under your skin like a splinter
The center of attention back for the winter
I'm interesting, the best thing since wrestling
Infesting in your kids ears and nesting
Testing "Attention Please" feel the tension soon as someone mentions me
here's my 10 cents my 2 cents is free
A nuisance, who sent, you sent for me?

A tisk-it a task-it, I'll go tit for tat with anybody who's talking this shit, that shit.
Chris Kirkpatrick you can get your ass kicked
worse than them little Limp Bizkit bastards, and Moby
you can get stomped by Obie, you 36 year old bald headed fag blow me
You don't know me, you're too old let go its over, nobody listens to techno
Now let's go, just give me the signal I'll be there with a whole list full of new insults
I've been dope, suspenseful with a pencil ever since
Prince turned himself into a symbol
But sometimes the shit just seems, everybody only wants to discuss me
So this must mean I'm disgusting, but its just me I'm just obscene…”
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[tec0]

I thought the topic was over and done with I guess not…

Abuse of the arts': ANC bristles at new Zuma painting

[Dave A]

How to get famous (or infamous)
Only a matter of time before someone else jumped on the bandwagon.

Personally, I believe this latest one is more along the lines of portrait with gratuitous exposure and as a result far less defendable.
At least The Spear was easily defendable as artistic impressionism, being purely a symbolic representation of persona.

[tec0]

Ok this may sound a bit harsh but all I see is easy money… I am not an artist but if I was a struggling artist, I might be tempted to draw a taboo spectacle in hope of a fast and profitable sale…

Well it is creating jobs so who is complaining?

[Citizen X]

Ok this may sound a bit harsh but all I see is easy money… I am not an artist but if I was a struggling artist, I might be tempted to draw a taboo spectacle in hope of a fast and profitable sale…

Well it is creating jobs so who is complaining?

Ya/Nee, this artist concept seems to be a goldmine! It must be a sitting president though and depicted in that way. So if you really want attention then that's the way to go!

[Blurock]

Is this not a sign of the times? Do people still have respect for JZ?

[Dave A]

Do people still have respect for JZ?

I'm not even sure it was respect for his character that got JZ elected as ANC president at Polokwane. I got the feeling it was more a rejection of Thabo Mbeki and what he'd got up to as President.

Elect a figure mired in controversy as your leader and you can expect...

Mind you - there's very few politicians that manage to avoid the occassional slagging.