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  • Citizen X
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    • Sep 2011
    • 3411

    #16
    I'm copying, cuttting and pasting this query here and my response to such quesry:

    "Hi I have received a Summons from a large Hospital

    I joined a Medical a Hospital Plan in April 2011 and was submitted to a 3 month General Waiting Period and a 12 month period for my wife's depression

    In Dec 2011 my wife OD'ed and was in serious respiratory failure and needed to be resussed on the bed, paramedics were called and they called up the local private hospital as the nearest state hospital was 20km away and the private hospital asked about my med aid details and said bring her in.

    When she got to the hospital i was in a state of blind panic and the hospital phoned the med aid and they said she should be admitted as she was on the hospital plan.

    the hospital gave me forms to sign but i did not know what they were and as i was from the UK i assumed they were her name and address.

    She had to be resussed twice in emergency and then put on life support

    The following morning i received a call from the hospital saying i owed them £10 000 and that if i do not pay my wife will be discharged, but the doc in ICU said the med aid would pay until she is stable.. I told the hospital that she had a hospital plan but the hospital said the med aid rejected the request and were not paying

    The following day as soon as the tubes came out of her throat she discharged herself.

    Then I received around R35 000.00 of bills and i kept saying med aid will cover.. and they re submitted to med aid and they kept rejecting saying that the reason was that the cause was depression and that she was in a waiting period.

    There is a pamphlet from the med aid that says quite clearly that the med aid will pay in a life threatening emergency until you are stabilised EVEN IF YOU ARE IN A WAITING PERIOD.


    In sept 2011 I laid a complaint with the council of med aid and am still waiting a response

    But in the mean time the largest creditor the Hospital has issued a summons, they did wait 6 months but now have issued.. I am unemployed and so is my wife and i do not have R22 000 to pay them

    I am still waiting for the council before i can sue the med aid for breach of promise / false advertising etc..

    What can I do in the mean time to delay the summons further?"

    RESPONSE:
    Good afternoon DazedandConfused,

    I would like to impress upon you that your matter is indeed heart wrenching! I’m terribly sorry that both you and your wife had to endure so much at the hands of a hospital and a medical aid. My response may be long winded, but it’s really necessary.

    My advice is not meant to substitute for the services of an attorney. I’m hoping that the council will resolve this matter in your favour!

    1. Firstly, for the sake of clarity, let’s separate the parties for now. The Hospital is the service provider and is regulated by a) The National Health Act 61 of 2003[1] and b) The Health Professionals Act 56 of 1974.[2] Disciplinary control is meted out by the Health Professionals Council of South Africa(HPCSA) alternatively a court of law for delict[3]. The Medical Aid is regulated by the Medical Schemes Act 131 of 1998.[4](The versions that I have, definitely have the latest amendments as they are downloaded from Sabinet. I’m not entirely certain about the url’s I include here. So at this stage the hospital and not the medical aid is the plaintiff and you are the defendant;
    2. The Plaintiff sued out summons, due to the monetary value , the Magistrates Court has jurisdiction. Upon receiving the summons( which I suspect is an ordinary summons), you are called upon to enter a notice of intention to defend the action. You are given a specified period of time within which to do so. Ideally you have 3 copies, one you serve on the plaintiff(their attorney), get them to stamp your copy or sign your copy, then file the second copy to the clerk of courts of the relevant Magistrates court. Also get the clerk of courts to stamp your copy.;
    3. If as I suspect, this is an ordinary summons, then, at a later stage, the Plaintiff will send you a notice to file your plea on merits. It is here where your challenge lies, as you will have to plead paragraph by paragraph to every paragraph included in the Plaintiff’s particulars of claim. A problem is that the patient remains liable for the bill and not the medical aid; The fact that you signed indemnity forms which would have placed medical costs responsibility upon you without reading it will unfortunately not be a valid defence, as at today’s date the latest case-law on the law of contract and medical law strongly suggest that the admission clerk was not obliged to point out any clause to you and that by signing it you deemed to have read it.
    I don’t know if ‘section 27,’ can assist you, it won’t harm to contact them. This is their website:
    http://www.section27.org.za/




    The following is off topic but I feel that it belongs here(This has no bearing on your case!!!)!

    4.Emergency Medical Treatment: The legal position
    We may all have conceptions of what is classified as emergency medical treatment and perhaps more importantly how long should such emergency medical treatment be administered when a patient doesn’t pay for whatever reason.
    Section 27(3) of the Constitution of 1996 provides that “No one may be refused emergency medical treatment.”[5]
    Section 5 of the National Health Care Act[6] is entitled “ Emergency Treatment” and reads as follows:
    “A health care provider, health worker or health establishment may not refuse a person emergency medical treatment.”
    So we come to the vital question again: What is emergency medical treatment?


    The Constitutional Court decided just such a question In Soobramoney v Minister of Health, KwaZulu-Natal 1998 (1) SA 765 (CC).[7] In this case Mr Soobramaney was a very ill man, he was unemployed at this time and was suffering from chronic kidney failure and needed dialysis to prolong his life. The hospital refused him admittance on the basis that his was a chronic condition. The CC was of the opinion that ‘emergency medical treatment,’ does not include on-going treatment of a chronic illness.

    At para 51 Sachs J stated “The special attention given by section 27(3) to non-refusal of emergency medical treatment relates to the particular sense of shock to our notions of human solidarity occasioned by the turning away from hospital of people battered and bleeding or of those who fall victim to sudden and unexpected collapse. It provides reassurance to all members of society that accident and emergency departments will be available to deal with the unforeseeable catastrophes which could befall any person, anywhere and at any time.The values protected by section 27(3) would, accordingly, be undermined rather than reinforced by any unwarranted conflation of emergency and non-emergency treatment such as that argued for by the appellant.”

    Upon studying this case my layman’s conclusion is that emergency medical treatment is meant to resuscitate, alternatively emergency medical treatment to save a life. This is what cannot be refused by any health care provider, but once you are alive, there is no longer any emergency, this doesn’t mean that you may not require more treatment but just that the emergency phase is over! The key question arises when a patient can no longer pay for treatment, what takes place then? From what I deduce as long as the hospital can state that they resuscitated the patient or stabilised the patient, they would have met the requirement of section 27. They could then discharge the patient or transfer the patient






    [1] Vide: National Health Act: http://www.polity.org.za/article/nat...-no-61-of-2003. Accessed 28 March 2013

    [2] Vide: Health Professionals Act: http://www.hpcsa.co.za/downloads/hea...ct_56_1974.pdf. Accessed 28 March 2013

    [3] Vide: HPCSA: http://www.hpcsa.co.za/

    [4]Vide: Medical Schemes Act: http://www.doh.gov.za/docs/legislati...act98-131.html. Accessed 28 March 2013




    [5]Vide: Constitution: http://www.info.gov.za/documents/constitution/1996/a108-96.pdf. Accessed 28 March 2013



    [6] Supra n 1

    [7] Vide: Soobramoney v Minister of Health:http://www.saflii.org.za/za/cases/ZACC/1997/17.pdf. Accessed 28 March 2013
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    • workshop
      Email problem

      • Mar 2013
      • 220

      #17
      I have been served with a Notice to deliver schedule of documents in terms of:
      Rule 23(1)
      Rule 23(3)
      and Rule 23(4)

      But I have started a new thread here so as not to take this one off topic
      Last edited by Dave A; 10-Jul-25, 12:37 PM.
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      • Citizen X
        Diamond Member

        • Sep 2011
        • 3411

        #18
        Originally posted by workshop
        I have been served with a Notice to deliver schedule of documents in terms of:
        Rule 23(1)
        Rule 23(3)
        and Rule 23(4)

        But I have started a new thread here so as not to take this one off topic
        A very good evening to you Workshop,

        This advice is not meant to substitute for the services of an attorney. It’s here for academic curiosity!
        To summarise, you being sued for defamation of character. You decided that you want to represent your self and have thus far entered an appearance as well as a plea on merits.
        Your question requires a very specific answer! One which is unambiguous and clear and concise. Discovery of documents is a procedure which allows both the plaintiff and defendant to know what the other party will be using in court. You are also entitled to request discovery of their documents.
        I’ve just learnt that legislation needn’t be placed in quotation marks as it’s not copyright. So in keeping with this, the following is what rule 23(1), 23(3) and 23(4) state
        23. Discovery of documents
        (1)
        (a) Any party to any action may require any other party thereto, by notice in writing, to make discovery on oath within 20 days of all documents and tape, electronic, digital or other forms of recordings relating to any matter in question in such action, whether such matter is one arising between the party requiring discovery
        and the party required to make discovery or not, which are or have at any time been in the possession or control of such other party.
        (b) A notice in terms of paragraph (a) shall not, save with the leave of a magistrate, be
        given before the close of pleadings.

        (3) If any party believes that there are, in addition to documents or tape, electronic, digital or other forms of recordings disclosed in terms of this rule, other documents, including copies thereof, or tape, electronic, digital or other forms of recordings which may be relevant to any party thereto, the former may give notice to the latter requiring him or her to make the same available for inspection in accordance with sub-rule (6), or to state an oath within 10 days that such documents are not in his or her possession, in which event
        he or she shall state their whereabouts, if known to him or her.

        (4) A document or tape, electronic, digital or other forms of recording not disclosed as requested in terms of this rule may not, save with the leave of the court granted on such terms as to it may seem meet, be used for any purpose at the trial by the party who was obliged but failed to disclose it, provided that any other party may use such document or tape, electronic, digital or other forms of recording.

        1) So in practice you need to download the precedent (discovery of documents affidavit) from http://www.justice.gov.za/forms/form_mcr.htm
        This is the j801 affidavit;
        2. In your case you will need to attach 3 schedules(aka annexures) to the affidavit. A schedule looks like this:
        Schedule A
        DATE NUMBER DOCUMENT COPY/ORIGINAL
        16 April 2013 Cheque Original
        Last edited by Dave A; 10-Jul-25, 12:37 PM.
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        • workshop
          Email problem

          • Mar 2013
          • 220

          #19
          Appreciated. But the Plaintiffs attorney has served notice that the Defendant requires Plaintiff to....

          I assume they have made a mistake. If so what do I do?
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          • Citizen X
            Diamond Member

            • Sep 2011
            • 3411

            #20
            Originally posted by workshop
            Appreciated. But the Plaintiffs attorney has served notice that the Defendant requires Plaintiff to....

            I assume they have made a mistake. If so what do I do?

            It's just a typographical mistake! Don't ignore it, rather file your discovery of documents in the prescribed way..
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            • workshop
              Email problem

              • Mar 2013
              • 220

              #21
              My ten days is nearly up. Can you just clarify what I am supposed to be doing:

              rule 23(1), requires me to deliver "a schedule". My question is deliver to who?

              rule 23(3), requires me to "produce for inspection" the specified documents. Is this subsequent to delivering?

              and rule 23(4), requires me to show to the Court. Which I think is self explanatory

              What happens if one or other party misses, in this case, the ten day deadline?
              Last edited by workshop; 05-May-13, 11:25 AM.
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              • Citizen X
                Diamond Member

                • Sep 2011
                • 3411

                #22
                Originally posted by workshop
                My ten days is nearly up. Can you just clarify what I am supposed to be doing:

                rule 23(1), requires me to deliver "a schedule". My question is deliver to who?

                rule 23(3), requires me to "produce for inspection" the specified documents. Is this subsequent to delivering?

                and rule 23(4), requires me to show to the Court. Which I think is self explanatory

                What happens if one or other party misses, in this case, the ten day deadline?
                As previously mentioned, in your case, you will have to deliver three schedules or annexures!
                "2. In your case you will need to attach 3 schedules(aka annexures) to the affidavit. A schedule looks like this:
                Schedule A
                DATE NUMBER DOCUMENT COPY/ORIGINAL
                16 April 2013 Cheque Original
                You file or serve in the standard manner, have 3 coipies of each bundle. File the first to the plaintiff's attorney, get them to sign or stamp one copy as proof that you served it on them, you then file/serve the same on the clerk of courts, you get the clerk of courts to stamp your copy as proff that you filed the same with the clerk of courts. So after service, you'll have one copy with the signature/stamp of the plaintiff's attorney as well as the stamp of the clerk of courts. This one copy is for your
                records.

                Certain explanation may not be expressed in a manner in which one can get the desired results in practice! I sincerely believe that you do need the services of an attorney to assist you...
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                • workshop
                  Email problem

                  • Mar 2013
                  • 220

                  #23
                  It's something that I have to work through myself. I have no choice in this.

                  I understand that I need three packs. One for the Plaintiff, one for the Clerk and one for me. But I am a bit confused about the need for three schedules. Schedule A will be a list of the books and documents in my possesion which I intend to use. The Affidavit refers to a second schedule which lists documents that are no longer in my possesion. Is this what you are referring to? If so what is the third schedule suppoed to list?
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                  • Citizen X
                    Diamond Member

                    • Sep 2011
                    • 3411

                    #24
                    The way I see it, you being asked for two different things, as such two schedules are required(I deduce this from information that you have provided) If an attorney is out of the question, why don't you approach a University Law clinic to assist you with the correct drafting of discovery alternatively to give you very specific advice....

                    23. Discovery of documents
                    (1)
                    (a) Any party to any action may require any other party thereto, by notice in writing, to make discovery on oath within 20 days of all documents and tape, electronic, digital or other forms of recordings relating to any matter in question in such action, whether such matter is one arising between the party requiring discovery
                    and the party required to make discovery or not, which are or have at any time been in the possession or control of such other party.
                    (b) A notice in terms of paragraph (a) shall not, save with the leave of a magistrate, be given before the close of pleadings.

                    (3) If any party believes that there are, in addition to documents or tape, electronic, digital or other forms of recordings disclosed in terms of this rule, other documents, including copies thereof, or tape, electronic, digital or other forms of recordings which may be relevant to any party thereto, the former may give notice to the latter requiring him or her to make the same available for inspection in accordance with sub-rule (6), or to state an oath within 10 days that such documents are not in his or her possession, in which event
                    he or she shall state their whereabouts, if known to him or her.

                    (4) A document or tape, electronic, digital or other forms of recording not disclosed as requested in terms of this rule may not, save with the leave of the court granted on such terms as to it may seem meet, be used for any purpose at the trial by the party who was obliged but failed to disclose it, provided that any other party may use such document or tape, electronic, digital or other forms of recording.

                    Remember this is your matter, and you defending yourself, so it's your call at the end of the day as to how you intend proceeding with exchange of documents..thread wisely though, an opinion from a university law clinic can't harm, it will help!!!

                    It will be 3 if the following applies to you:

                    1 Documents and tape recordings in one's possession.
                    2 Privileged documents
                    3 Documents and tape recordings that were in one's possession but which are no longer so.
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                    • workshop
                      Email problem

                      • Mar 2013
                      • 220

                      #25
                      Thx. Wish we had "law clinic". But Knysna types are simple woodcutters, forest fairies and fading hippies. Everyone is a little long in the tooth, no young 'uns in these parts I am afraid. We are also mean spirited and as grumpy as all hell.
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                      • Citizen X
                        Diamond Member

                        • Sep 2011
                        • 3411

                        #26
                        Originally posted by workshop
                        Thx. Wish we had "law clinic". But Knysna types are simple woodcutters, forest fairies and fading hippies. Everyone is a little long in the tooth, no young 'uns in these parts I am afraid. We are also mean spirited and as grumpy as all hell.
                        The Western Cape is a beautiful piece of South African land. Hey, you have the University of Western Cape(UWC) there
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                        • workshop
                          Email problem

                          • Mar 2013
                          • 220

                          #27
                          That's a six day trek. Sedgefield is about as far as we ever venture, Plett if we are doing a day trip. And as for Buffelsbaai the residents are still talking about booms to keep the rooinekke uit.
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                          • workshop
                            Email problem

                            • Mar 2013
                            • 220

                            #28
                            They fudged the task by objecting to the disclosure of any of their documents. They dressed this in a whole lot of legal gobbledly gook. Do I bother to challenge them? Can one challenge them? I would just like to get to court and confirm for all concerned that I really don't like the Plaintiff and meant every word he is objecting to.
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                            • Citizen X
                              Diamond Member

                              • Sep 2011
                              • 3411

                              #29
                              Originally posted by workshop
                              They fudged the task by objecting to the disclosure of any of their documents. They dressed this in a whole lot of legal gobbledly gook. Do I bother to challenge them? Can one challenge them? I would just like to get to court and confirm for all concerned that I really don't like the Plaintiff and meant every word he is objecting to.
                              Unfortunately, there's only one way to find out!
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                              • workshop
                                Email problem

                                • Mar 2013
                                • 220

                                #30
                                And that I must. What is next, after discovery docs have been lodged? Is there a manual I can follow? Does anyone run an online clinic?
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