Using the earth wire of the twin+E as alive conductor

[Dylboy]

For downlights there is not always an earth terminal depending on what GU10 fitting you use. So then the earthing of the earth terminal is not valid as there is no earth terminal.

The issues is often with downlights almost always

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[Derlyn]

If you buy a 220 Volt downlight holder there IS an earthing terminal.

The one's without an earthing terminal were made for 12V use.

[Derlyn]

If someone says it's out of arm's reach, therefore doesn't need to be earthed ........... just ask them if the geyser in the attic is also out of arm's reach. End of discussion.

[Derlyn]

If someone has a query regarding a coc that has been issued, surely the first port of call would be the electrician who issued same.

His particulars are on the coc.

[Isetech]

It is statements like this that trouble me.

Was it also pointed out that if there is an earth terminal, it must be connected?
And who at the ECA would have said such a thing?

Every time the issue has ever come up at the ECA SA that has crossed my desk, or at a meeting that I have attended, the emphasis has been just what GCE has pointed to - that the "out of arms reach" is not an exemption from the earthing requirements of 6.12.3.1.

My experience is the drive at the ECA SA is the very opposite of what you have suggested here.

It also troubles me.

I call the number on the ECA logo at the top of page 2, the same number the public or anyone enquiring about the COC.

[Isetech]

What is even more concerning is the false sense of safety, people think having a COC for their property would create a safer environment. With a 100 % fail rate on COC's audits just in my little operation, just imagine how bad it is in reality .