COC with errors

[Isetech]

Before I even waste my time going into details about this COC, let me just say this, a COC with errors is not valid --- period.

Once again, to this day I have a 100 % fail rate at document level, which means that not one COC that has landed on my desk have even got past the document.

The question you have to ask, should licensed tradesmen be allowed to issue a legal document, if they cant even fill out a piece of paper? Just imagine, how many faults I would find if I visit the site

The 100% fail rate includes from one man operations to large organisation, including ECA members (the issues with the ECA member is still not sorted out )

What is the problem with the industry?

Crap training? this would be were I would start looking.

Is it the customers fault, because they are selling and dont want to spend any more that they absolute minimum?

Inspectors being bullied by their employer?

We have a huge problem in this industry, and something should be done about it, as soon as possible.

[Dylboy]

I like this topic haha.

Recently did the unit standards course.

But what I feel it is training not being 100% adequate with regards to real life situations.

And the other is payment or rather the amount being charged.

People are charging way way to little and just signing the paper to get easy cash.

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[Dylboy]

Also we need a major public drive for understanding not only in a CoC but also to make sure the sparky is properly registered and qualified and the User Lessor being responsible thing also needs to be made more prominent in the public

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[Derlyn]

Most coc's are done for either properties that are being sold or banks and insurance companies requiring them for bonds and insurance purposes.

The onus is on those requiring the coc's to ensure that they are valid, however, it's just a box ticking exersize as far as conveyancing is concerned. If it's yellow or if it says compliance certificate on top, then it's ok.

[Alfred M]

This article explains the problem in South Africa concerning coc's
https://m.engineeringnews.co.za/arti...14/rep_id:4433

[Isetech]

The article was written in 2004, we now in 2022.

Van Vuuren made use of the opportunity to lash out at the Department of Labour (DoL), paid by the public to ensure its safety – as he stated – as failing in its task. This statement now poses the question, exactly how much trust can a property buyer place in the current system that produces a CoC for the property he or she is acquiring?

[Isetech]

What blows my mind is the fact that we live in a digital world yet we still issue hand scribbled COC's full of errors (much like my posts )

I had an assessor visit my property last night and we discussed various issues, which included our claim for damage to our property, and past claims. I learnt a lot about how this process works and got a better understanding ( I should have taken the time to do this a long time ago) . In the past I have pointed fingers at the assessor, but the assessor is not at fault, you need to look at the your broker, he is one who sells the policy, if your wall is not covered in the policy, don't blame the assessor, you need to contact your broker and ask why they didnt mention that your building was excluded from the policy.

[skatingsparks]

What blows my mind is the fact that we live in a digital world yet we still issue hand scribbled COC's full of errors (much like my posts )

There is a digital version for ECA members. Great if you do, say, a block of flats where you need a test report for every flat DB. Also, and i think all coc's should be, its stored online. Once you complete the coc, you can check if you missed anything or made errors (print a water marked sample or scroll through on screen) before you lock it (then you can't change it) and issue it. They should all be like that - stored on line - no lost bits of paper if something goes wrong.

Also customer can be sent the water marked version that doesn't have you signature on it to show its been done - get your payment before you unlock and issue to a customer.

This would stop yellow bits of paper being passed to people who shouldn't have them. Dodgey guys selling blank coc's to there mates.
Its not like anyone tracks the numbers on top of the yellow paper coc's is it. If its online - its your account, you are accountable.

So, yes, it should all be online. If you have guys saying can't afford a lap top or tablet to do this - well what kind of company are they running - probably can't afford proper testing gear.

If people do coc's properly then there should be no objection to there being a permanent saved copy.

[Isetech]

We have a new problem in the industry, tinned copper wire not suitable for 500 VAC, sold at 1.5 and 2.5 mm Twin+E. Using an open flame is the quickest way to test the wire, if it glows red, it could be copper, if it melts, it tinned.

[Dylboy]

What does the ECA charge to be a member?
Also I always thought they where our "watch dogs" but it appears not.



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