Land reform

[ians]

Everyday I read and watch land reform threats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPJ5...craticAlliance

I read and watch like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwij...el=MorningShot


The question is are these old ways of doing things like shop malls (were your brokers are investing your funds) ... going to become like video hire or faxes.

Do we need to start looking at changing the way we do things.

From when I was young ... there was a set way of doing things and it is just how the old people did it ..

Go to school

Get a job

take out life insurance and a pension fund

and work fingers to the bone until you are 65

Then retire

cash in your investment which if worth what they predicted ... would mean you would have so much money you wouldnt know what to do with it all or you could live till 150 before you would spend it.

The only catch ... at 65 ... your life is over ... you too sick from all the pollution ... the stress because thanks to all the market crashes ... your investment barely cover the cost to pay off your bond that you have extended every year to try survive blah blah blah.

Now with all the new challenges ... and a chance you may never see your pension ... your house/farm that you have invested in for the past 40 years might not be yours ... who knows maybe in the next few years ... we go onto a 99 year rental system or you just loose it.

I am thinking start winding down everything ... plan a nice holiday ... spend a couple years drifting/travelling enjoying life ... this bullshyte that working hard is the way to success ... dream on ... if that were the case I wouldnt be sitting smashing my keyboard for a bunch of aliases to read ... I would have become a millionaire a long time ago.

This way of living is no longer suitable for the 21 century ... maybe start unloading the baggage ... find better ways to save a little for a rainy day.

What do you think?

[Blurock]

Land reform or actually land grabs, is part of the piracy agenda of the current government.
The Ain't NO Consequences* party has adopted the Chinese model as stated by Ramaphosa at the Zondo Commission. So in other words communism?
*(they keep on stealing with no consequences to the corrupt officials).

Although they want to paint a different picture, It is clear that the long term goals of the Ain't No Consequences party is socialist communism. If you don't believe this, just read these two books on how to create a socialist state by Saul Salinsky, author of "Rules for Radicals" and "Reveille for Radicals". According to him, there are eight levels of control that must be obtained to create a social state;

1. Healthcare - control health care and you control the people. How long have they not tried to implement a National Health Care programme?

2. Poverty - Increase the poverty level as much as possible and increase dependency on grants and subsidies. Poor people are easier to control and will not fight back while you provide everything for them. Are the unemployment levels not at a record high already? R350 per month for the jobless?!

3. Debt - Increase debt to unsustainable levels. Increased taxes will create even more poverty and more dependency.

4. Gun Control - Remove the ability of civilians to defend themselves. Enables the creation of a police state. This has also been on the cards for a long time. (Bheki Cele and the Firearms Control Amendment Bill, 2021).

5. Welfare - Take control of every aspect of civilian life; Food, housing and income. Social welfare programs in South Africa include cash assistance, unemployment insurance, medical provisions, and housing subsidies. ... The cash assistance programs that are currently available include the Child Support Grant, the Foster Child Grant, old-age pension, disability grant, and war veterans grant etc etc.

6. Education and Media - Take control of everything that people read or listen to. Take control of what children learn at school. Education in South Africa is governed by two national departments, namely the department of Basic Education (DBE), which is responsible for primary and secondary schools, and the department of Higher Education and Training (DHET), which is responsible for tertiary education and vocational training. There has been objections against private schools.

7. Religion - Remove the belief in God from schools and government. Starting the school day or parliament or a function with prayer is a thing of the past.

8. Class Warfare - Create division between the wealthy and the the poor. The discontent will make it easier to tax the wealthy with approval from the poor. Are we not seeing more of this every day? This also promotes racism and widespread Xenophobic violence.

Are we not seeing all these rules being applied in our country today? Do you really think that this is not happening?

[adrianh]

There is more to land reform.

Watch this video by John Oliver. He explains the issue in America - We have the exact same issue here whether we will admit to it or not.

Housing Discrimination: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-0J49_9lwc

[Blurock]

There is more to land reform.

Watch this video by John Oliver. He explains the issue in America - We have the exact same issue here whether we will admit to it or not.

Housing Discrimination: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-0J49_9lwc

I admit I did not watch the video as I read fast and prefer not to spend time listening to discussions.
Housing discrimination in South Africa has terminated with the previous government and there is no restriction on anyone meeting the financial criteria required by any lender to assess the risk of a bond or loan.

Housing discrimination however, still exist due to rural patronage and the paternal feudal system where a king or chief gives you permission to occupy or build a home. The property rights of the 18 million rural people living in the former homeland areas are systematically being dispossessed of their precariously held property rights. The past decade has seen major battles between the courts and government over land reform. The government has continually ignored these judgments or intervened on the side of traditional leaders and other elites.

A glaring example is the Ingonyama trust;

Wikipedia ...established to administer the land traditionally owned by the Zulu people, represented by their king, for the benefit, material welfare and social well-being of the Zulu nation, who continue to occupy the land as they historically have done.[1] The Trust owns 29.67% of the land in KwaZulu-Natal, which is equivalent to 28,000 square kilometres, or 10,811 square miles.[2]

This land was supposedly granted to the Zulu Nation by the Nationalist Govt in an attempt to get Dr Buthelezi to agree to a Zulu homeland.

The high court in Pietermaritzburg has recently declared the Ingonyama Trust Board’s (ITB’s) residential lease programme unlawful and has ordered it to pay back millions of rands it has collected from residents since 2012.

The rent-seeking practices of the Ingonyama Trust in KwaZulu-Natal are a local variation of a wider theme of government empowering traditional leaders to treat “communal land” in former homelands as their personal property, without regard to the rights of the people who have lived on and inherited this land over generations. The judgment is a thundering rebuke to that approach.

My question is, why are these rural people not given title to their homes so that they can raise funds to start their own business, educate their children or invest in a way that will give them financial freedom. Instead they are expected to pay homage to a king and tribal chiefs.

How can such a medieval system still be allowed in a modern Republic?

[adrianh]

Watch the video!

[Blurock]

Watch the video!

Every country has its own problems and history.
In South Africa many farmers were dispossessed due to the scorched earth policy of the English occupiers who burnt down farms and put women and children (including their black workers) in concentration camps where a great percentage of them died from malnutrition and illness.

We can dwell on the past and hate the English for colonialism and its atrocities, but it will make no difference to how we live today. Better to live today and address today's problems to create a better tomorrow.

[adrianh]

How we feel about the past does not change the past - The outcomes and knock on effects of the past exist today and project into the future (education is a case in point). One cannot simply ignore the past because it is inconvenient - the only way to create a better future is to consider the effect the past had on the present and try to compensate for it in the future.

An analogy is evolution. The way evolution works is it builds on top of what already exists by slowly adding / subtracting or altering the existing blueprint that developed over time. Evolution can't just go: Well I feel bad about giving a spider eight legs so I'm just going to ignore the eight legs and give the spider fins. Evolution can only work with what it has created up to that point and slowly develop (for bettor or worse) given its past and present.

South Africans suffer from a sort of past delusion - some want to ignore it and forget it, some want to live in it in the present and some feel that it is their right to take whatever they want in the present because of it....but whatever way people deal with the past they can't ignore it nor wish it away. The only way to deal with is to take the emotion out of it and deal with the facts, when one does that the injustice is obvious.

[Blurock]

Agreed, we cannot ignore the past and we should all learn from those mistakes.
History has shown us just how cruel, but also how kind people can be.
Colonialism was wrong, slavery was wrong, apartheid was wrong, genocide is wrong, discrimination is wrong. We can add so many crimes against humanity.
Yes there may still be consequences of those atrocities, but to pull down statues of slave traders, past kings or rename streets is not going to solve today's problems.
That kind of blame mongering only have negative results.

The poor will always be with us and we can safely predict that 50 years from now, 50% of South Africans will still be poor.
So what are we going to do about it, feel guilty for what our forebears did in the past?
No, we are going to address todays problems today and find solutions for today's problems.
Stop blaming other people for our situation, get up and do something to improve your and your neighbours' lot.

Some people share knowledge and some make donations to charities or pass on old clothes or other unwanted items.
My view is; If you share your leftovers with someone, you have given nothing, but if you share your last plate of food with someone, you gave some of yourself.

[adrianh]

So what are we going to do about it, feel guilty for what our forebears did in the past?

Take emotion out of the equation - solve the problems that stem from what our forebears did.

To quote what I had said earlier: "How we feel about the past does not change the past - The outcomes and knock on effects of the past exist today and project into the future (education is a case in point). One cannot simply ignore the past because it is inconvenient - the only way to create a better future is to consider the effect the past had on the present and try to compensate for it in the future."

[ians]

You cannot help people who cant help themselves ... rather focus on people who want to improve their situation in life regardless of the past.

Dont create another problem because of the past.

There were 1600 electricians who had no placements back in 1987/8 ... why because the government create employment and skills.

Until people understand that civil servants ... are just that ... not kings and queens you cant live in a 10 million house in an elite estate ... drive a 5 million rand vehicle and have monthly ! million rand security details ... if the people you "serve" dont even have a job.

IT seems the military have been deployed ... heavy artillery on the freeways ... not just water cannons ... real cannons ... it seems someone is concerned about others digging in his honey pot.

People should be held accountable for their district they serve.