Stove connection

[serial5228]

Hi all

What is the rules with connecting a stove via earth leakage, or not earth leakage. I am having a debate with someone who says it's not required to connect a stove on earth leakage.

I know under 6.16.3.3 there's a note saying that if you use a stove coupler, earth leakage protection is not required.

[GCE]

There is no requirement for ELU on a stove circuit unless the stove has a 16amp socket outlet on it which used to be the case in the " old days" where a socket outlet was incorporated into the isolator and used for the extraction fan
The note around the stove coupler is to ensure that it is not read as a 3 phase socket .
If you read the complete section 6.16.3.2 it only refers to a dedicated circuit.

In my Opinion , You lost the debate and again in my opinion it was never really a debatable subject - But take my comment with a pinch of salt , I have been told I am over powering

[skatingsparks]

But if its a free standing stove its a different story.
Anyone ever seen a stove coupler?

[GCE]

Stove couplers were pretty standard items , I have not used one in a while as most are not built in ovens.
Have attached a link to a photo of one



https://ecasa.co.za/technical/connec...e-regulations/

[Derlyn]

Good morning

Yes, we still install them regularly on domestic installations. Available at ALL electrical wholesalers in our area.

Peace out ... Derek

[ians]

Stove couplers were pretty standard items , I have not used one in a while as most are not built in ovens.
Have attached a link to a photo of one



https://ecasa.co.za/technical/connec...e-regulations/

This becomes and interesting topic ...especially when you go into places like KFC fast food outlets ... when i enquired about all the 3 phase 5 pin sockets outlets which are generally positioned in the most ridiculous of places (right above or behind the chicken and chip friers) Which catch on fire on occassion ... yet they are not on earth leakage ... i was informed that they have "special permission".

I decided to stop doing work at these outlets for safety reasons ... the electrical design engineer who offers specs for these outlets ... should actualy go into one of the outlets after 6 months of operation ... take a little responsibilty for the design ... and come up with a better safer solution ... starting with moving the 3 phase 5 pin socket outlets from behind the frier ... personally ... i would like to see a weather proof IP 67 enclosure behind the appliance ... fed from a common enclosure out of the actual cooking area ... with isloators clearly labelled identifying each circuit and appliance ... with a control circuit feeding IP 67 emergency stop buttons for each appliance or 1 to shutdown all the appliances in the cooking area ... by the way ... the cable from the weather proof box should be oil resistant and heat resistant.

[skatingsparks]

Stove couplers were pretty standard items , I have not used one in a while as most are not built in ovens.
Have attached a link to a photo of one



https://ecasa.co.za/technical/connec...e-regulations/

I phone pretty much every wholesaler within pretty big radius of Jo'burn (30 plus including the voltex, acdc dynamics, ARB etc plus a load of independents). None could get me (if they had even heard of) a stove coupler.

Phoned ECA, as I also saw their articles on this subject, and asked where am i supposed to get them from. Said they hadn't seen one in years - apparently the manufacturer had closed long ago. Asked for suggestion and was told its very hard to get them so they said best to use industrial socket via double pole with earth leakage protection.

For the flats which have free standing stoves, that's what I'm doing.

Sorted.

[GCE]

I phone pretty much every wholesaler within pretty big radius of Jo'burn (30 plus including the voltex, acdc dynamics, ARB etc plus a load of independents). None could get me (if they had even heard of) a stove coupler.

Phoned ECA, as I also saw their articles on this subject, and asked where am i supposed to get them from. Said they hadn't seen one in years - apparently the manufacturer had closed long ago. Asked for suggestion and was told its very hard to get them so they said best to use industrial socket via double pole with earth leakage protection.

For the flats which have free standing stoves, that's what I'm doing.

Sorted.

I am inquisitive by nature so made a call to my go to supplier in PE , IRC Lighting, and inquired as to availability of stove couplers. He has a couple on the shelf and did not think it was a problem to get.
They phoned Procast , who manufactured them, only to discover that they closed their doors today after 73 years in business .Sounds like economy , load-shedding and the nail in the coffin, being Covid, forced the decision.

Now there is definitely a problem in getting Stove couplers and I guess the regulations may have to be looked at unless somebody buys the machinery and continues making.

[Dave A]

Looking at that article you linked to, Graham - at the Edition 3 update presented by Anthony last month I understood the stove coupler requirement was disappearing...
Did I mishear or misunderstand that?

[ians]

Looking at that article you linked to, Graham - at the Edition 3 update presented by Anthony last month I understood the stove coupler requirement was disappearing...
Did I mishear or misunderstand that?

Dont feel bad Dave ... most of the regulations in the electrical standards seem to be misunderstood

I am still trying to figue out why we have SABS and other parts of the world have edition 18 ... the internet has turned what use to be a big big place into a small open environment ... surely what is safe for the UK should apply to SA and visa versa ... the plastic DB is a good example ... why can you not install a plastic DB in the UK ...yet in SA we pump them out a dime a dozen ... i dont have time to go into RCDs and earth leakage units ... but i am sure you get point.