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    lol, and the domain is available!
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    Probably was by now. You're lucky I'm currently on holiday.

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    To a certain degree this doesn't make sense. When you interview candidates, don't you require contactable references? When you contact previous employers surely they will tell you about possible issues if they wish? Then again the applicant can lie about being unemployed for the past few months...


    Hi Chatmaster - as an employer you are bound by law to give a certificate of service which includes the dates of employment and position held. ANYTHING you give other than that, which can jeopardise the applicants ability to get a job can have you facing legal proceedings.

    This is why some employers are tearing their hair out. It is also a fact that we sit with nearly a 40% rate of fraudulent activity on the CV's circulating in the market today and verification is tedious and in some instances downright impossible.

    A job applicant is also protected from possible bias and slander in many other ways.

    And even if this was not the case, I would be hesitant to start a site such as this, purely because of the power of the net and the fickle nature of individuals who will and would be able to abuse the site.
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    I would love to get a legal opinion on this as everyone seems to miss the point.
    If you report the truth you can not be liable.
    The most negative responses I have received was form employees....for good reason.
    They have no incentive to act responsible as their actions never follow them.

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    As employer I went through some interesting employees in my life. Especially in the IT industry you get people that can easily bs there CV's to pretend that they are super experienced, meanwhile they have little experience and just learned the basics. In the marketing industry it is very similar as many of them can manage perception during an interview. I quickly learned that calling previous employers can be helpful. I normally speak to the boss of the referral if it is a manager, to ensure accurate info, but even then you often do not get the truth.

    Here is my proposal for you. Create a central database of all employees. This will require cooperation between employers and employees with regards to accuracy of information. Come to think of it, it is a great business opportunity.

    • Network with business owners to ensure that they require employees and employers to list on the database.
    • Track CV updates and also archive changes. It is often the case that employees modify their cv's to suit the requirements of the job they are shooting for.
    • All referrals and accomplishments needs to be confirmed by employers.
    • Resignations and career changes needs to be confirmed by employers


    Other logical information should also be required, but in essence I believe having an absolute track record of each employee and employer will be a great new way for us as business owners to know the truth about our future employees. Employees will also realize that the accuracy of their information will be essential for their future, so will employers. Trends reports will reveal any issues there might be with regards to both and job history will be easy to track in digital format.

    I think you have a great idea here, and you will definitely be able to make something really worthwhile, but my idea is that you should merge the blacklist idea into an information platform of both employers and employees to ensure that people can utilize accurate data and reveal possible "bad employers" as well. I once sat in the office of a estate agency in the south. He was a real a$$hole to be honest. He swore at all his employees and treated them like dirt especially the woman. Needless to say I left before I did any further business with this dirt bag, as I certainly would have done something to feel sorry about. I just wonder why these people even worked for him. I am sure there are others like him, and I am also sure that his referrals of his former employees would show a trend. I played golf with a very good friend of mine the other day, he saw his employees as his property and when pointing it out to him he just told me that he feels they were nothing without him. The irony about it, he is good person, but he feels that his success is his own and not because of any of his employees. I on the other hand feel different about this. You are only as good as your worst employee imo. Mmmmmmm maybe that is why I struggle to find a good marketing manager...

    Hope that helps!
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    Hi

    The hurdle with contacting previous employers is that the employer may not make any overtly negative comments about a past employee.

    Only if you have a successfully prosecuted theft charge for example, can you mention that the person was discharged for theft.
    Otherwise you have to be very circumspect when asking for, or for that matter, giving references.

    You need to ask general questions and then read between the lines.

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