SANS 164-2

[SeanM]

Greetings All

I recall reading a thread regarding the change of installing socket outlets awhile ago that caused some confusion, this afternoon I recieved an article expling this in detail.

http://crown.co.za/latest-news/spark...socket-outlets

[RegElec]

It's strange that the new layout of sockets (SANS164-2) as far as I am aware does not require the socket outlets to be switched. Any comments?

[ians]

It's strange that the new layout of sockets (SANS164-2) as far as I am aware does not require the socket outlets to be switched. Any comments?

Not sure that too many people are aware of this "new plug law" it seems nobody got the memo (only people who received the sparks mag)...not even the SABS people who are suppose to info the appliance people to change the plug tops.

Like most things in SA...its gona take a while for people to change over.

I wonder when they will enforce the law about the old 25 amp orange 4 pin plug. People still install these plug sockets even thought there is a pamphlet indicated "NOT TO BE USED IN NEW INSTALLATIONS"

[GCE]

Not sure that too many people are aware of this "new plug law" it seems nobody got the memo (only people who received the sparks mag)...not even the SABS people who are suppose to info the appliance people to change the plug tops.

Like most things in SA...its gona take a while for people to change over.

I wonder when they will enforce the law about the old 25 amp orange 4 pin plug. People still install these plug sockets even thought there is a pamphlet indicated "NOT TO BE USED IN NEW INSTALLATIONS"

The "new plug law "was gazette back in the beginning of 2017 and before that was put out for comment to the general public.The changes had been circulating within the industry for the past couple of years.
The SANS10142-ed 2 was published in March 2017 and readily available.

As business owners we are compelled by law to keep up with any new regulations governing our industry , or any laws that may have an effect on our businesses, tax, etc
If you don't keep an eye out on all new gazettes published on a daily basis the you run the risk of being on the wrong side of the law , similar to the pirate contractor that still installs old "orange 4 pin plugs"

I don't seem to have enough time to read through the volumes of gazettes published and so belong to an employees organization ( ECA) who reads through all the gazettes and informs me of the relevant ones when they come along.
Saves a lot of time and reduces my risk of prosecution for non compliance

[GCE]

It's strange that the new layout of sockets (SANS164-2) as far as I am aware does not require the socket outlets to be switched. Any comments?

When SANS 10142 started aligning itself with the European standards the switching of sockets stopped , over 10 years ago.As far as I am aware it was in the manufacturers regulations and under 164 .
If you look at 10142, new and old edition, there is no reference anymore to the switching of sockets besides construction sites , stages and generator rooms

[ians]

So some clever person came up with the idea to fit 2 flat plugs to the 4x4 ...they didnt think to add the round 2 pin...the one that all electrical power tools are supplied and some of my kitchen appliances.

My question with regard to SABS...who is checking that nobody is selling non compliant equipment?

People are quick to jump on the electrical contractor for installing a non compliant product...yet i can go to my "registered electrical wholesaler" and buy non compliant products...i have sent an email to my local electrical wholesaler to inform them that all products that they supply to my company must be SABS approved...i wonder how that would stand up in court.

i think people need come back down to earth and look at this industry at ground level...start educating people about rules and regulation and make people who sign over certificate of compliance documents accountable for their action.

One of my customers has been purchasing flats...with a coc...not one of them would pass...the latest one has the DB directly above the stove...1.5 mm wire for the plugs with a label on the 10 amp breaker "mixed circuits"...and a list of other things...but hey as i told the customer you have a coc use it...if so many people can get away with the thousands of illegal COC's out there...who is gona query this one...the contractor is protected by the ECA so he shouldnt have a problem if he is taken to court.

[Dave A]

...they didnt think to add the round 2 pin...the one that all electrical power tools are supplied and some of my kitchen appliances.

The Schuko socket?

[ians]

The Schuko socket?

yip.

[Dave A]

...they didnt think to add the round 2 pin...the one that all electrical power tools are supplied and some of my kitchen appliances.

The Schuko socket?

yip.

Now there's another fine can of worms.

No Schuko plug or socket or may be imported or sold in SA (see page 4 of the attached Government Notice where it has been specifically declared illegal), but as you say, no shortage of them about.

VC 8008 (2010).pdf

For those not familiar with the Schuko outlet -

[ians]

I thought i would do some scratching...

The unearthed schuko plugs falls under SANS 164-6

2 pole systems, 16A 250 Vac for connection of class 2 equipment.

MCE sell them and advertise on the front page of the sparks mag.

The Schuko socket?


Now there's another fine can of worms.

No Schuko plug or socket or may be imported or sold in SA (see page 4 of the attached Government Notice where it has been specifically declared illegal), but as you say, no shortage of them about.

VC 8008 (2010).pdf

For those not familiar with the Schuko outlet -