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    Gas hob installation and SANS10142-1 compliance

    I ran into this a few times now. I do many Electrical Coc's and often find a gas hob supply cable directly connected to the original stove supply. The gas hob supply of cause a flexible cable of I guess 1-1.5mm sqr.

    Yesterday a friend phone me for advice. He was busy renovating at a house and the original electrical hob was been replaced by a gas unit. When he queried the installer about the connections the guy told him that in order for the gas installation to be compliant the isolator may not be within 200mm above the hob and must also be 200mm to the side. So to fix the problem they simply remove the isolator, twist the wires together and blank it off. It is normal practice according to the gas installer.

    So, in one swoop they break 3 SANS10142-1 regulations.
    No isolator for fixed appliance, oven usually is still electrical.
    Connecting hob flexible 1.5mm sqr directly to 4mm sqr wire on 40A CB, also no isolator
    And wires simply twisted together.

    Anyone else came across something like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lourens.dL View Post
    I ran into this a few times now. I do many Electrical Coc's and often find a gas hob supply cable directly connected to the original stove supply. The gas hob supply of cause a flexible cable of I guess 1-1.5mm sqr.
    I wouldn't see a problem with this if the circuit breaker size was reduced accordingly so disconnect times would be met in the case of a fault. It effectively makes the gas hob a fixed appliance like a geyser in the eyes of the electrical regs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lourens.dL View Post
    ........When he queried the installer about the connections the guy told him that in order for the gas installation to be compliant the isolator may not be within 200mm above the hob and must also be 200mm to the side. So to fix the problem they simply remove the isolator, twist the wires together and blank it off. It is normal practice according to the gas installer.

    So, in one swoop they break 3 SANS10142-1 regulations.
    No isolator for fixed appliance, oven usually is still electrical. Agreed, removing the isolator and replacing it with a permanent joint would be non-compliant.
    Connecting hob flexible 1.5mm sqr directly to 4mm sqr wire on 40A CB, What particular regulation do you have in mind that would forbid this?also no isolator
    And wires simply twisted together. I'm assuming they're using a choc block type connector or are they leaving bare wires just twisted?

    Anyone else came across something like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyD View Post
    I wouldn't see a problem with this if the circuit breaker size was reduced accordingly so disconnect times would be met in the case of a fault. It effectively makes the gas hob a fixed appliance like a geyser in the eyes of the electrical regs.
    As I said, 40A CB was not changed and Isolator removed. Oven still on same circuit.

    Also, having a 40A CB on 1.5mm˛ conductor is illegal. You can look up the reg. CB should protect current carrying capacity of thinnest conductor.

    Your assumption is in error. As I have written, wires were simply twisted together and taped.

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